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This is kinda cool link, aerial/sat photo of the fires burning in CO this weekend. The large one near Colorado springs blew up yesterday from 300 to 30,000 acres in a single day. Of course started by some mouthbreather who doesn't see whats wrong with having just a "little" campfire during record drought conditions
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Pretty good article here. The Anatomy of Fire (forest fires specifically), kinda covers all aspects, this years fire season, techniques, etc, in a non-technical sense.
quote:Originally posted by Jomama: Talk about outrageous propaganda.....what a TRUCKLOAD of BULLSHIT, but why be concerned about facts and the truth right??? :
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Posts: 771 | From: Farmington | Registered: Oct 2000
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I think that is seriously funny shit, and that there are facts supporting this " outrageous propoganda " as our divine intellectual pal in Alaska calls it. It is pretty funny when fire fighters go to forest service meetings and talk about putting in fire roads, and get shot down, because we have the " let it burn " philosophy in place, and that the cost and expense of maintence would be too much. Just more beurocratic shit from your team, supporting your agenda, and the crap that you think is “ reality “….
Have a joint and a beer or six, and go back to sleep.
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1) I wasn't refering to the amount of roads, I don't think the billboard was either, nor would that have had a dramatic impact on last years fireseason. And its funny that I spent 8yrs out west driving 1000's of miles of roads that you proport from your throne-of-all-knowing-and-seeing don't exist.
3) For having a "let-it-burn" philosophy, that sure was weird being in that huge firecamp, with lots of guys in yellow & green nomex, must of been like 5-10,000 of them. Guess they were having a picknick, not fighting fires.
2) I'll believe the BS about any significant group of firefighters being ignored by whoever you claim was running the meeting when I read it.
3) No amount of restriction on logging that has occured by environmentalist in the last or 5 or even 10 years had anything to do with last years fire season. Try paying the backlog for 75 yrs of fire suppresion. Last year was not the worst we've seen, and it won't be long before we see worse!
But why bother with facts right........ Posts: 2469 | From: Anchorage, AK | Registered: Oct 2001
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restriction on " logging " has not only been the past five or ten years, further, the forest service is not willing to allow people to pick up dead fall, in many nationl forests,specifically the Black Hills, and since you can not have an open fire, which I do not disagree with, how do you suggest that we control fuel loads there oh great omnipitant one? What great nugget of fact would you like to share this time? Or am I even worthy to ask for insite into something that I clearly know nothing about, according to your great all-knowingness.???
Posts: 771 | From: Farmington | Registered: Oct 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Jomama: Talk about outrageous propaganda.....what a TRUCKLOAD of BULLSHIT, but why be concerned about facts and the truth right???
It was just a funny billboard Joe. I think you have agreed in the past that certain policies haven't helped forest fires - such as not "cleaning up" the forest floors because of opposition from groups like the Sierra club.
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Your right, I just thought it the juxtaposition to the stupid thing about voting yesterday (I'm not spooled about this no matter how much extremist BS is spewed here by some...)
Hey, my family wouldn't have eaten without the forestry industry. Logging is one tool that can be used, there's strategies and techniques of logging that can promote forest health, but there's more, or say the lack of strategy that does not make for healthy forests. I don't know about the specific policies of the Black Hills, but not being able to pickup deadfall for campfires (when allowed) is the stupidest thing I've ever heard with regard to forest policy, and wouldn't have significant impact either way (except for mabey in places like Yosemite). This is not the case in any Nat. Forest I've been in.
The Black Hills is a Nat. Forest and not a Park???? I seem to remember having to pay to enter the forest where we camped years ago.
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Even 20 yrs of enviro restrictions did not "CREATE" a 75 yr old fuel load. Tree's don't grow faster just to support your propaganda.....
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