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Klaus
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Here you go Pfaff -
A GPS much like mine - you can load topo's and street maps into it using your PC. You can also use it as a 2way radio, then beam your position to someone with a similar unit. How cool would that be at Dresser.
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http://www.garmin.com/products/rino120/

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How many of these things do we need now, I want one, Scott, are you going to get one? Tim?

I will talk to you at the bar....

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I think I would like one too.. Scott if you find good pricing let me know how much before I commit.
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Yeah, if we do it together I could probably get a decent deal. At the moment the best pricing is around $210 - but they just came out this week. I say we wait until early next year and they might have come down some.

I have the 6 map cd's that can be loaded into the unit - city streets for the US and all the topo maps for the US. I looked at the user manual and it looks like a pretty nice GPS unit as well as a very nice radio. I believe it's .5watts on ch 1-14 and 2 watts on 15-22 much like the newer Motorola's.

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Here is a review by one of the guys on the dirt bike news group of the Rhino GPS/Radio unit.
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Well, spent the last 10 days Elk hunting and really putting my new toy
through its paces. Bottom line, this is possibly the most useful tool ever
invented for group outings. In the past 25 years, every time I have hunted
with a group there was always at least one guy who got lost. This usually
resulted in a wasted day playing the follow the sound of the 3 shots game.
This time there was not one single instance of a missed turn, got lost on a
trail, got lost on a dirt road, anything. It was unbelievable.
Also used it for a couple of trail rides by itself.
Before the trip we loaded each of them with the same mapset from Garmin's
topo map CD. Naturally I discovered that even though they were just
released, the Firmware had rev'd a couple of times. So I downloaded the
upgraded firmware and loaded all three at the same time. This went
surprisingly well, Garmin's support site is well thought out and it was
easy to find the correct patches. The cables for connecting the GPS to a
PC are included (unlike most other GPS's) and the connection was a snap in
Win2K. On my laptop I set up the boundry's of our hunting area, way
pointed the places we were going to camp and some key areas. I uploaded
this to all three GPS's as well as the route from our town to the camp
site. This all worked flawlessly, and when we left for our trip each
vehicle had a syncronized GPS with the complete route in it. Now we get to
the radio part. These GPS's are also radios using the standard mlrs/flrs
whatever freq's, so even if you have people in your group with plain ol'
Motorola walkabouts, they can still talk/listen on the radio net. They
have about a 1 to 2 mile range, and seemed to work fine in rugged terrain.
Each time someone in the "net" keys their mike, his position is updated on
everybody else's GPS. This was awesome! This paid off almost immediately
while going through heavy traffic in Mesa, it was a cinch to find each
other. This was just phenomenal in the woods! The topo map was incredibly
accurate, damn near as good as a usgs quad, and it included every single
trail we were on, and the detail on the screen was unbelievable. Using the
radio to communicate, and being able to see at a glance where the other
hunters in the group were was great. You could also send waypoints via the
radio. For example, several of us left camp in a single truck. I got out
to walk a ridge. The truck continued on. Once it was parked, the driver
sent me it's location. Now I know exactly where the vehicle is parked.
This is not only a convenience, but could also be a life saver.

I have not yet used it on a trail ride with other people equipped with the
same thing, but I have gone on 1 ride using it as a stand alone GPS. It
has all the functionality of a Enduro computer, they are rugged, and
waterproof. One was left on the roof of a truck and fell off at about 50mph
with no ill effects. Speed, distance, next check point, etc are all
displayed in a pretty efficient way. The navigation from point to point is
excellent. Again, the topo software is great, and all the old trails and
washes in the desert near my home show up on it. One extremely useful
feature that will really pay off on trail rides is the tracking option. I
can record a track. This means that the GPS will trace my exact route. A
real world example of how neat this is: I recorded a track of a pretty
cool cow/game track, couple miles of wash, some 2-track roads, and a gas
line road to make a 40 mile loop on the state land across from my house. I
then uploaded it to my PC, and created a route with it. Now, I can send
that to other people, print it out and give it to riders in a group, etc.
This would be an incredible tool for laying out an enduro/hare scramble
course, or for just cutting your own TST through your property.

The only drawbacks to it that I experienced are:
1) Battery Consumption-it used 3 AA's. When using the radio and GPS, you
get about 4 hours use. With the radio turned off, the batteries will last
about a 1.5 days with fairly constant use. Best bet, buy a Walmart AA
charger and Ni-Cad AA batteries (12 bucks w/ batteries) and turn the GPS
off when you are not actively using it.
2) Radio range-they don't put out a full what like the stand alone radio's,
so the range isn't quite as good. This seems to be the result of FCC regs
on TX's data on these bands.
3) Price/Availability- The msrp is 289.00, a friend of mine is selling
them out of his shop as fast as he can get them for that price. Problem
is, he can't get them. On the internet they are advertised from 218.00 to
279.00, but most places are out of stock. Seems Garmin totally missed the
demand for this product and they are the only game in town right now. I
expect by January that they will go below 200.00. This is still a
fantastic deal when you figure a decent GPS is usally close to 200.00, not
to mention the cost of the radio. The Topo software is about 100.00, but
well worth it if you spend a lot of time outdoors. If you don't know what
a contour line is, and don't care if dirtroads and washes show up on the
screen, you can live without it.

I am going to buy at least one more for my family. Also, Garmin makes the
Rino 110, which has all the same functionality, but no additional memory
for loading mapsets from your PC. It costs a bit less.
Eric
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2000 XR250, '74 Elsinore MR50 (original owner),
'99 CR80 (daughter), '96 RM80 (son), 2000 DS80. Most other
sports only use one ball; MX takes two.


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Just FYI, but this product may come in conflict with Hunting regs in most states regarding using planes/ohv's, and radio's to pinpoint animals. Mabey they'll have to actually catch someone. But I know its already being talked about up here.
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$219 now - who wants to get one with me??? I already have the map software but I won't buy one unless someone else gets one so we can use the location features.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000065DQ2/002-4415654-5083222?vi=glance

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pair of Rino 120's $417.08 includes shipping
www.gpsdiscount.com

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How many people would like get a 120? I could check out some of my sources for a group buy if I knew how many units we are talking...

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I would be in for one if its close to 200 like you say....
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Yeah $200 would be about the point I would consider it a worthy upgrade to my emap GPS.

Again, I do own the topo map CDs (map source) that you load into these units so that saves quite a bit of cash...

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My Dad is in for one - so I am ordering two - anyone else want me to add one on my order? $212 includes shipping.
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I think rokstar was gonna look into a group buy why don't you see what he wants to do.....
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Oops yeah I missed his 2nd post.... Well I need two. Who else is there? Mike? Cramer? Pfaff?
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Lastest price update $204.95
www.mall24-7.com

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Has anybody explored the differences between the 110 and the 120...the 110 would be almost $60 cheaper...

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The difference is that the Rino 110 does not have the ability to load topo maps into it and has no memory or basemap (basemap is just basic cities and major hwys). The Rino 120 comes with the computer cable needed to load maps from the Map source CDs onto the unit. I currently have the emap which is pretty much what the Rino 120 is minus the radio part and have been very happy with it. I would think the Rino 110 would be a great 2nd radio/GPS for a family. It still "beams" location data to other 110/120 and shows relational data on it's screen but not with a map.

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The olive-colored Rino 120 takes all the features of the Rino 110 and adds a basemap of North and South America that includes major cities, highways, thoroughfares, rivers, lakes, coastlines, state and national borders, and railways. The Rino 120 has eight megabytes of internal memory for downloadable cartography from GARMIN’s exclusive line of MapSource CD-ROMs – providing topographic, bathymetric, and street-level map information. It also incorporates a voice scrambler for secure communications and a vibration mode for ''silent'' calls from other Rino users.

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Those readers with Rino's on the way here is a link to the best mounts I have found for GPS. I currently use the RAM mount to mount my Emap to my bike - the thing is rock soild. The ball mounts come in many different versions - handlebar/dash/suction cup/etc. Scroll down to see the RINO mount and the ball mounts are at the bottom.

http://www.cycoactive.com/gps/gps_mounts_ram.html#ramkits

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Got my Rino 120 from Steve B. last night and played with it a bit when I got home... First impression is, it's a very nice little until. Much smaller then I have thought from the pictures. About the size of an original Talk About.

Likes:
Joystick navigation of menus.
Windows like software navigation.
WAAS GPS error correction - gets the accuracy from less then 15ft to less then 3 feet. (must be turned on in the menu)
Zooming is easy with joystick.
Waterproof to 3 meters
Position broadcasting.
Calender/alarm/games/clock

Dislikes:
Screen is a bit smaller then my Emap.
Proprietary plug for headphones/mic.
Channels are changed in software a bit complicated.

I haven't really used it yet these are just my initial impressions - I will post again after Memorial day. Overall, I think it's a bargain for a 2 watt GMRS/FRS radio with a very nice GPS unit - I highly recommend everyone gets one [Smile] (so we can play with the positional broadcasting)..

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I will be suprised if you get the WAAS singnal that much. Its a completely separate set of satalites, with beacons on the ground which allow a differential correction of a sort. The problem is the WAAS beacons are far and few between. Its designed for aircraft use, but was opened to the public gps units first (designed to work 1000ft+ off the ground). I'm curious how often you'll actually recieve it.
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I will keep my eye on it. Prof says his WAAS GPS gets it about 60% of the time depending on where the WAAS sat is at on the horizon.
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Used my Rino alot last week - I still think it's a great unit. Here are my impression after a week of use:

Likes:
Positional broadcasting worked well.
Trip computer very customizable.
Nice navigation compass after go-to is set.
Topo maps refresh quickly when you zoom in.
Tracks are easy to store and label with the pop up on screen keypad.

Dislikes:
My radio sounds good, my Dad's sounds like shit. This is the main complaint I have heard in reviews - bad audio quality. I guess the newest update fixes some radio issues.
Windows navigation sometimes confusing (all the ok/cancel boxes are annoying)
Joystick (click stick) is hard to get used to at first. Hard to push directly in (click) without moving it in one of the four directions.
GMRS radio (to get the 2 watt channels)needs to be turned on in the setup menu. Motorola gives channels 1-7 2 watts also in their combo radios. The Rino only makes channels 15-22 2 watts (this is my main annoyance).

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FYI - Newest update on Garmin website will fix some of the issues I have had with the RINO.

The main feature of the upgrade is the addition of a location "ping". Instead of waiting or calling someone in the group to hit the position button (to send their position), you can request their position with a button. It will automatically ping them and display their position on the map.

The GPS on the RINO is growing on me - I almost like it as much as my EMap but I still like my Motorola radio better. When I drive the 4Runner I need the GPS for my speedo - I really like the "big numbers" feature which makes two stats take up the entire screen. I usually pick Speed and Distance to destination. Nice to not need to squint at the GPS to see your speed.

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New RINO 130 with altitude and pressure sensor is out -

http://www.gpscity.com/gps/brados/02117.1.11812201157518127703/rino130

Also, GPScity is running a special on refirb EMAPS for $119. Great deal.

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