the cop says .223????

.45 LC caliber 3 1/2" barrel

Hey, pick me up one, too. Thanks.

i would try and find a pre-ban, collapsable butt-stock, 14.5" barrel w/bayonet lug. this
may be my christmas present to ME!!!! unless,
i can find a barrett.

well.... do you?????

weak-minded people have bought into the bull-shit that the cunt from kalifornia, diane fienstien, and her brain-dead-cunt-buddy sara brady, have been selling. they have scared people to the point that everyone who wants to own a weapon, or likes to shoot, is a mass-murdering criminal. you know, only people who want to own an " assault " weapon
are those who are a threat to peace.
there is no reason whatsoever for the " average " subject to be armed with a weapon that is at all like that of the millitary.
so, that means:

" pre-ban " weapons will have all the " goodies " that you want, that, and a colt is going to fetch far more monies than your bushmaster or other AR-style, because it is a colt, and they are not made for the civillian market any longer. your new rifle cannot have:

no millitary-style flash suppressor, meaning,
it CANNOT have the same " thread-syle-pitch "of the wapons in the millitary. you can own a AR-style weapon with a muzzle-brake, it cannot be the " same " as the millitarys.

you CANNOT have a barrel length shorter than
16.50" ( i think). the pre-ban carbines had a 14.50" barrel option.

you cannot have a bayonet-lug on your rifle,
because we have had so many people killed in
" mass bayonettings ".

the stock lenght MUST be fixed, you cannot own a " new " rifle that has a colapseable butt-stock.

and you cannot have a detachable-box-type magazine that holds more than 10 rounds, sold with a new rifle.

you are not to have a pistol-grip on a rifle.
however, if the butt-stock/pistol grip are " one piece " its ok. ( see HK SL-8 .223 rifle)

this is not all the rules concerning
" assault " wapons. there are many sites out there that list all of the " baned " guns, ones that cannot be imported, or owned leagaly anymore...

of course, there are MANY loop-holes, just like any good american law. you are allowed
no more than two of the above options on your new weapon,one being the size of the box-type-detachable magazie,and im pretty sure the collapsable butt-stock is NOT one of them, UNLESS it is registerd as a HANDGUN, BY THE MANUFACTURE,
and im not aware of anyone who is marketing a .223 " handgun " other than the people in the twin-cities that sell a carbon-fiber rifle, and a " shorter " version, that is post-ban legal....for some reason. if memory serves, it had no butt-stock, took normal hi-cap mags, was under 16-18" OVERALL, and was as light as a feather. somewhere aroung the
700-900 range. i havnt seen one at a show lately...

Thats fuckin funny cramer.
Dude that had me and my roommate laughing our asses off. Its too bad this crap is all true.

I did find out for sure that this thing does come with a 14.5" barrel.

Your Gun Show Loophole At Work
By Bob Ward
AllSouthwest News Columnist
11-14-1

The gun show was described by former President Bill Clinton as a bazaar for criminals where they could buy guns of any description and in any quantity in total anonymity. According to the gun-control mythology, at a gun show there are no background checks, no one asks for a name or address and your reason for wanting a fully automatic assault rifle with flash suppresser and attached grenade launcher is strictly your own business.

It was this vision that perhaps led the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence (BCPGV) to declare that, "the gun show becomes a place where those planning to use guns in crime are able to meet unlicensed sellers and avoid the very laws meant to cut down on gun violence," it adds.

But once again, the gun controllers have been kicked in the pants by the facts. The U.S. Justice Department interviewed 18,000 state and federal prison inmates in 1991 and again in 1997.

It should be noted, in both those years the department was part of an administration that was amenable to gun control. In 1991, the President was George Bush was did not resist gun control and in 1997 the department was under the direction of Bill Clinton and Attorney-General, Janet Reno both of whom were rabid on the subject.

The responses of these prisoners simply knocked the "gun-show loophole" theory into a cocked hat. In 1997 less than one percent of violent offenders -- 0.7 percent to be exact -- acquired their guns at a gun show. That's fewer than one in a hundred.

Slightly more, one in a hundred, acquired their guns at flea markets. Purchases at pawn shops accounted for 3.8 percent of guns used by these convicts. And, despite the Brady law, sales at retail stores exceeded these other outlets at 8.3 percent, although this was still a minor source of guns for violent criminals.

Almost 80 percent of the guns used by these violent offenders were obtained from friends or family members, or purchased on the street or from other illegal sources. These transactions are obviously beyond the reach of any legislation and demonstrate the fact that so-called gun control laws only control the acquisition of guns by non-criminals, that is, the potential victims of those who are unhindered by such laws.

The Brady people also claim that an upsurge in gun violence due to gang and drug activity began in the late 1980s and that this created "an enormous demand" for military style "assault weapons" including the UZI, AK-47, AR-15 rifles, the TEN-9 and MAC10 handguns, and a shotgun with the sinister moniker, "Streetsweeper." Again, the Brady people lose to the facts. According to the Justice Dept. survey, about only eight percent of state and federal prisoners used military style semi-automatic weapons. In case the Brady people are still confused, that means 92 percent used something else -- something non-military and not semi-auto.

The DOJ report raises serious doubts about the effectiveness of gun laws in reducing gun-related crime. The Brady law indeed seems to have reduced the volume of criminals obtaining their guns from an ordinary retail store. In the 1997 survey, 14 percent of inmates had acquired their gun from a store, down from the 21 percent in 1991. But that doesn't mean the criminals did not obtain guns and use them. In fact, from 1991 to 1997 there was a slight increase in the number of inmates who reported using a gun. It was only a two to three percent increase but we were promised a reduction in criminal gun use with passage of Brady.

For that matter the 1993 crime bill with its ban on so-called assault weapons didn't pose much of a problem for criminals either. About half of he inmates with assault weapons got them by stealing them or by purchasing them from a drug dealer, a fence or elsewhere on the black market.

But gun control zealots, typically unmoved by experience or logic, are busy devising new ways to take guns away from law abiding citizens. The current enthusiasm is S-1438 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002. Section 1062 of the bill makes it illegal to possess "significant military equipment formerly owned by the Department of Defense."

This applies to everything on the U. S. Munitions List plus whatever the Secretary of Defense decides to include. The Munitions List includes "non-automatic, semiautomatic and fully automatic firearms (in other words all, small arms) to caliber .50 inclusive. You'll be allowed to own such weapons provided they are "de-militarized" which means rendered useless.

Some of the familiar weapons covered by this measure would be the venerable of Garand M-1 of WW II fame, the military .45 pistol, the AR-15 rifle and even the creaky old 1903 bolt-action rifle.

There's a reason the anti-gun forces are not persuaded by studies showing that gun laws don't reduce crime or the use of guns in crime. It's because crime is not their concern.

They are elitists who object to an armed population in principle. An armed citizenry is a characteristic of a system of government in which the people are sovereign and government is limited. That's what bothers them -- the riff-raff being in charge -- not crime. ___

Bob Ward is... Host of the Texas Journal Radio Show KIXL 970 AM Austin Editor of The Texas Journal Print Publication http://www.allsouthwest.com/columnists/bward.html