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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chadwick: [QB] To elaborate on my analysis of Toyota: I love Toyotas. They make the best vehicles in the world, hands down. But, they always seem to be behind the market in power. Example: My tundra stock had: 245HP 315ftlbs Torque out of the 4.7L V8 Which is marginally better than standard V8s by the big 3 and pales in comparison with their larger v8's the new titan's standard 5.6L v8: 305HP 379ftlbs torque The only upside is that the tundra weighs less than the others and is a bit small (many call it the 95% full size truck) The tundra has help coming for the 2005 model year in an updated 4.7L V8, on which the will add VVT-i. upping output 282 hp and 325 ft-lbs torque. But still not producing numbers comparing with larger v8s in the larger 1/2 ton trucks. Similar is true for their other cars. 4 cyl Compact/Sport Coupes & sedans (upgraded performance models) factory North America avaliability: Subaru WRX STI(turbo): 300hp 300ftlbs torque!!!! Mitsubishi Lancer EVO8: 271HP Honda S2000: 240HP Dodge Neon SRT-4: 230HP Subaru WRX(turbocharged): 227HP Acura RSX Type-S: 200HP Toyota Celica GT-S: 180HP Nissan SE-R Spec-V(N/A): 175HP Toyota Corolla XRS: 170Hp Mazda RX-8: 250HP (rotary engines are often considered comparable to I4 engines of double the displacement – 1.3L rotary similar to a 2.6L I4 Engine) In this case Toyota has to come up with something to compete. None of the other American models compare with these numbers: Mid size sport sedans & coupes: Ignoring the 4cyl engines because they are all anemic. Acura CL Type-S: 260HP Lexus SC Coupe: 300HP (but this is a V8) Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS: 240HP Toyota Camary & Solara Sport Coupe: 225HP 3.3L V6 Acura CL Type-S: 260HP Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS: 240HP Nissan Maxima: 265HP Honda Accord Coupe LX-V6: 240HP Pontiac Grand Prix GTP: 260HP Pontiac GTO: 350HP (another v8) Even comparing the rare roadsters: Mazda MX-5 Miata: 178HP Toyota MR2 Spyder: 138HP Solara Engine: 3.3-liter DOHC 24-valve VVT-i V6 [b]225[/b] hp @ 5600 rpm 240 lb.-ft. @ 3600 rpm Not sure where 265hp comes from..... :) One thing I have found is that independent dyno testing Toyota (and Lexus) is about the only company that consistently has mostly accurate hp ratings on their cars. The domestics and nissan especially seem to overrate their stuff a little bit 5-15HP. But the stuff under the Toyota name still needs more power. They need to build optional performance package cars that have higher output power plants like the other nameplates. Again I like Toyota because of superior quality so maybe this is the downside of quality. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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