I only hope that our retaliation is sweeping, complete, and devistating.

It seems that they only were able to hit 3 out of 4 of their targets.

 

I don't know what else to say we have been watching all morning - I agree with Chad that some serious (and very emotional) retaliation is going to be laid down soon.
 

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Wrong.

Brent
 

is 9-11 => 911
 

EgyptAir Fight 990 in 1999 was a 767. I never did hear what the said the cause of that crash was, but the last I heard it was the pilot suiciding, even though Egyptian officials and people who knew him dismissed that.

Should we start some wild and baseless speculation about remote-controlled kamikazes? Maybe I should call Art Bell... It could just be that those are common planes for trans-continental flights.

I guess whoever succeeded this time in what they attempted in 1993...

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Scott Carlson emailed me that he was watching the Pentagon burn from his office window in Baltamore.

Anyone for the use of tacticle nukes!!!!!
 

A rental car was found abbandoned in the boston airport with flight manuals and fuel charts written in arabic. Also that one of the passenger manafests listied a guy linked to bin lauden. This sounds a bit fishy to me
I still think he is a good possibiltiy as the culprit but if this operation was as well planned as its effects sugest then why would they leave such obvious evedence in a place where it would easily be found like a missing rental car. Maybe bin lauden is being set up by another terrorist group or by a forign government. Either way afganistan should become a crater that spikes any gieger counter within 1000 miles.

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Turn that whole fucking area over there into a big artsy piece of glass!

Let the night skies around the world glow for a month from the burning of their souls!

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So why wouldn't he set up Osama for the attack? That way Iraq gets some revenge (quietly) and Osama is set up for the blame. I wonder what relations are like between Iraq and Afghanastan? I don't pretend to know, but if they are somewhat enemies this would make even more sense. I do give Sadam enough credit to predict that we would immediatly suspect Osama and that we would hold a government responsible no matter what (rightfully so). I think he has the means. There has to be many sons of lost fathers to the war that would be more than willing to give their lives for payback.

Mostly I'm thinking out loud here. These are just some thoughts that have been racing around my brain (it's a short track!) Please post some of your thoughts on this theory I would love to hear some input

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October 20 & 21.

West St. Paul Armory.

Guns and ammo are like money and booze - you can never have enough and it sucks when you run out!!
 

The big red crosshairs seem to be homing in on that country with more and more clarity.
 

23,980 Gallons jet fuel fully loaded.

395,000 lbs max take-off weight

The even more scarry thing is the 767 has one of the more powerfull high bypass turbo-fan engines in any aircraft today

Aproximatly 63k lbs thrust per turbine.

The 200 is the smallest in the family buts still utilzes the same gas turbines.

www.worldtribune.com/wta/Archive-2001/me_israel_09_12.html
 

there are many groups of people who resent this great country of ours. will we ever know who was at the root of this? it depends on what you accept to be the truth.
in any case, i dont think that the " resolve " that is currently " flowing", will be doing so in two years from now, or even two months from today. i dont think that this was a large enough event, and that the " force " that everyone keeps talking about being brought to bear against a group or countries, will actually occur.
our reaction to past events lead me to this
conclusion, but god, i hope im wrong.

just like the social programs that need indefinate funding, when will enough be enough?? what is the breaking point? as of now, all these countries are standing shoulder to shoulder with us, but after the first " retaliaion " event, and many " civilians " are " murdured ", what will there stance be then? or what about the realality of the enemy killing thousands of our troops?

there are already people protesting in this country about the use of force against these
" enimies". they are the same people who cant belive that something like this could happen here. in our society today, its not hard to understand how people who call themselves americans, can think this way.

if our inocence wasnt lost before this, it surely is gone now.

bomb the shit out of every country even close to these ass-holes. send every last one of the arabic fucks strait to hell!!!
continue bombing all countries untill there is not a single soul left there.
and if one of the countries standing beside us now, say one thing against what we are doing,
bomb the shit out of them too!!!

for all the years of shit this country has recieved from others, it wouldnt bother me a bit to see some of them smoldering also..

Not that any of us need more anger and frustration, but here it goes:

An officer that works downtown with us had a great idea and went to purchase some US flags that hang from a car window. She bought several of these and put them out for other officers to hang on their squad windows. I love my country. As a matter of fact I think that everyone that lives here should love THEIR country and be required to show respect to, and love our flag also. So I grabbed one of these flags and hung it from our squad window. Cool, RIGHT! Well, half way through our shift a message came out on our squad computers from a supervisor. This message simply said that it was against police policy and procedure to have these horrible things waving on our squad cars and that we were all to remove them at once. Due to the fact that I fear for my job, I can only tell you that this supervisor was higher up on the chain of command.

I asked another officer who has been on several years about this. He began to tell me about why we no longer wear flag patches on our uniforms either. He told me that several years ago the police administration decided to remove the patch from the uniform. Several officers rebelled against this and continued to wear the patches. After a long struggle with this, the administration decided to put its' foot down and threaten to dismiss officers if they were to continue to wear their patches. This is the best(worst) part. He further told me that when he confronted several higher ups about the reason for why the patch was to be removed he was only given one reason: That certain members of the "community" have expressed concerns over the "flag" patches and that many of them were offended by them!!!!! Can you fucking believe that? Offended by a US flag patch on an officers arm. Why does the majority conform to the minority? Why do patriotic AMERICANS have to yield to slimy fuckers that don't even want to live here? The same fuckers that all they do is complain and wonder why everyone else isn’t making things better for them. Why do people that want to work hard and make a better life for people they are sworn to protect have to yield to those who try to drag everyone else into their fucked up little world. WHY!!!!! I want to know when the majority started to feel bad and felt the need to change for the minority. I AM MAD!

Thank God Cramer began to read all this again because I think he would especially like my story.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!

 

I got so fucking angry thinking about it that i could do nothing but take 3 tylenol PM and go to bed.

People need to start thinking with some sense and logic and understand that we are humans living in a human world. Humans are always going to experience and perpetrate violence whether there is a point behind their actions or not. The only way to fight it and protect ourselves is join togeather with other countries and start hunting and to never stop hunting people who think that terrorism is the way to make a point. ALL BLIND AMERICANS NEED TO START TO UNDERSTAND THAT INOCENT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET KILLED EITHER WAY. BETTER THEM THAN AMERICANS. AT LEAST WE WILL BE SOMEWHAT SELECTIVE IN OUR TARGETS AND NOT TRY TO HURT INOCENT PEOPLE, BUT, IT WILL HAPPEN!!!!!

Another interesting point that got me thinking to hard agian last night was some of the comments that the canadian prime minister made recently since the hijackings. He pointed out how america is allways the first to send help to peoples around the world whom experience natural disaster or man made disaster. We always commit our own people and money to help people all over the world. Yet how many times have other countries come to our aid. How many times have other nations extended their money and people to help us when a huricane or earth quake hits. We help people all over the world and noone ever retruns their own money and blood for us.
 

First:
We start a Noah's ark attack. Rain missles bombs and bullets on them for 40 days and 40 nights without any break, Then send in the Marines and Army to rape and slaughter any survivors. The sleeping giant has once again awoke. The japaniese learned the hard leason in WWII. These fools think we are week and if they attack us we will break in half and cavein to there demands. We need to show an excessive ammount of hell fire to quash any though of future terrorisn.

Second:
The godfather method. In the first godfather the baptism scene. You know the one. They had all the opposition fam's there. We know who these terrorist groups are. So we need to round em up and kill em. Then if some camel riding ragheaded hotshot thinks its fun to bomb the US, kill em.

Third:
We rebuild the WTC, This will show these backwards fucks. That the United States is not going to take this shit. You can try to break us but we'll prevail.

 

UNITED WE STAND!

based on the fact that all modern-day planes have global positioning systems (GPS) and are capable of landing on autopilot.

"(Install) 'safe mode' panic buttons that put the plane on forced autopilot that cannot be overridden, except in special circumstances," Steve says. He'd have them mounted in the cockpit, one for each side, with additional optional buttons in crew areas on each side of the plane in both the forward and aft cabins.

Once a plane is in safe mode, suggests Steve, it would randomly select one of the 10 nearest airports capable of accommodating that plane type, and automatically land the aircraft there.

"This technique works because you take both the pilots and the terrorists out of a control situation," he explains. "A terrorist can no longer threaten the pilot to 'Do this or I will kill people' because the terrorist knows that the pilot can't accommodate the demand no matter what."

UNDER STEVE'S PLAN, the terrorist can't get what he wants. His only option then is to kill all the people on the plane, and if his only objective is loss of life, a plane is a mighty tough target when there are easier ones (like buses) available.

Bottom line: there's no more motivation to hijack a plane. All that the hijacker could accomplish is causing the plane to land at a randomly selected airport.

 

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“We have suffered so much. Every night so many children go to bed hungry,” said Zalmai, a teacher who, like many Afghans, uses only one name. “What do we have to live for? Let the rockets come and set this whole country on fire once and for all.”
 

i hope your " reap what you.." comment wasnt aimed towards our current administration.
the arab people wouldnt understand that statement..... not alot of " tillable ground " over there....
 

if i said i was suprised, would you belive me? i was going to ask sgt. sullivan about that topic when we were downtown but it slipped my mind. i noticed that when you first donned the blue, but thought they may had been out of those patches...

the anger you have on this topic, i share with you. you are a city employee, inside the borders of the USA, this should be a standard piece on your shirt/jacket/ etc.

this anger/frustration is not new to me, nor do i think you either..

people wonder why i get so wound up about the things i do... its called passion.
the flag, to me, is the last thing in america that has yet to be fucked with.

it is everything that being an american stands for, to me. the people inacting policy changes, chipping away at the freedoms that real americans hold dear, have nothing to do with that single great symbol of freedom. anyone who finds it offensive....
is far beyond help, and will forever be a bottom-feeder.

there is so much else to say,
hopefully we can get together and have a beer...SOON!!!!

 

"By Leonard Pitts Jr. of the Miami Herald
>>
>>We'll go forward from this moment
>>
>>It's my job to have something to say. They pay me to provide words that help
>>make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of
>>airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can
>>find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the
>>unknown author of this suffering.
>>
>>You monster. You beast. You unspeakable #######. What lesson did you hope to
>>teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us?
>>What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you
>>failed.
>>
>>Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause. Did you
>>want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.
>>
>>Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.
>>
>>Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a
>>family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family
>>nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional
>>energy on pop cultural minutiae-a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's
>>misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready
>>availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we
>>walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are
>>fundamentally decent,
>>though-peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing
>>and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith,
>>believers in a just and loving God.
>>
>>Some people-you, perhaps- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're
>>mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be
>>measured by arsenals.
>>
>>IN PAIN
>>Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still
>>grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to
>>make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some
>>Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel.
>>Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final
>>death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism
>>in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world.
>>You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.
>>
>>But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall.
>>This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone
>>hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental
>>pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force.
>>When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any
>>cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice.
>>
>>I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I
>>think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with
>>dread of the future.
>>
>>In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers
>>pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be
>>done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security,
>>misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment
>>sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.
>>
>>THE STEEL IN US
>>You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our
>>character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day,
>>the family's bickering is put on hold. As Americans we will weep, as
>>Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we will rise in defense of all
>>that we cherish.
>>
>>So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe
>>you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case,
>>consider the message received.
>>
>>And take this message in exchange: You don't know my people. You don't know
>>what we're capable of. You don't know what you just started. But you're about
>>to learn."

I hope we are as UNITED as this purports us to be. Someone will and must pay for this..........

I implore everyone on this forum to write a letter to the city of Minneapolis and the police dept. protesting this policy obviously not mentioning anyone's name. Everyone's already covered how we all must feel about this topic quite thoroughly so I'll just say what a sad state of affairs it is when 1) people are offended by our nation's flag within US borders and; 2) any American would actually submit to these ludicrous complaints and force a police dept. to remove it's flags to the extent of threatning people's jobs. Absolutely sickening. I wonder how the supreme court would feel about that?
 

"Greetings,
I wanted to inform you of a situation within the Minneapolis Police Department of which you may or may not be aware. A close friend of mine is a Minneapolis police officer and brought this to my attention recently. Last week an officer purchased several small flags designed to be hung from a vehicle window for officers to place on their squad cars to show their support. A few hours later, a stern warning was sent to all officers via the squad car computers stating that display of American flags on police department vehicles or uniforms was against department policy and they were to be removed immediately. What could possibly be the reason you might ask? Apparently, the department enacted this policy about 4 years ago as a result of complaints they received from certain community members that were actually OFFENDED by the American flags displayed by the Minneapolis Police Department. No further details were given to the particular officer that gave this information to me. After the department put this policy into effect, there were obviously objections from the officers and many who continued to wear American flag patches on their uniforms despite warnings that they must be removed. Ultimately, the department made it clear that anyone who continued to wear a flag patch would be terminated. I ask, what kind of sick, disgusting person living in the US, citizen or not, finds an American flag offensive? Furthermore, I find it unconscionable that any employer, let alone a government entity would slump so low as to force a person to choose between their job and their patriotism. Anyone within US borders who has a problem with an American flag on a police officer's uniform and anyone who would listen to such madness and then submit to it needs to be riding the first cruise missile bound for the Middle East. All of this is happening under Sayles-Belton's watch whether she's involved with it directly or not and I hope the voters of Minneapolis will bear that in mind when they go to the poles in November. This example of the majority being forced to bend to the demands of the minority (a very small minority at that) in such a disgraceful and un-American way is absolutely ludicrous and I'm sickened by it. It needs to stop, NOW.

I realize that this is all unsubstantiated information as far as you're concerned so I implore you to present this issue to your listening audience for further information and/or confirmation. I also further ask that the listeners of the KQ Morning Show write letters, make phone calls, send emails or otherwise get in touch with the city of Minneapolis and the Minneapolis Police Department and tell them just how wrong this practice is. It's unfortunate that it's taken a national tragedy of this magnitude to bring this issue the attention it deserves. Now is not the time for politically correct agendas and politics. Now is the time to show our support and love for our country by wearing our colors proudly and no one should be allowed to forbid that. No one. God bless America and God bless the families and victims of this tragedy. Be strong America and be proud."

the night that we started the air campaing against iraq, CNN played video at the top of every hour, first of the " green light enhanced sky " over bagdahd, and then of the protesters in DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS, burning the flag,and setting dumpsters on fire during there protest. chanel 9 at the time was a CNN affilitae, and they had someone down there interviewing people, live, there name escapes me...it was TOTAL BULLSHIT.

the fact that the ground campain lasted just over 100 hours, after 4 four weeks of 24 hour bombing, and friendly fire was the cause of most u.s losses, played a HUGE
role that there wasnt more protesting, and crying out to end the war..

the previous engagement in the middle east, is not a classic example of a " long campain ", which is what we have been told to
expect. that war was for the most part,
very " sterile ".you were not watching
peter arnet or mike wallace bring you the death of u.s service men right to your dinner table, as was the case during the viet-nam war. they were trying like hell, dont get me wrong, and CNN and ted turner proved that they are the communist
cock-suckings-holes that i think they are.

i guess we will see how this whole thing playes out, who knows, after last tuesday morning, its hard to think that someone who cares about this country and there freedoms, could not be affected by the events.
 

On a side note i was talking to kelly about this and she was unsure about weather we should take action due to the fact that other inocent people might get harmed, then i told her about all the rules that the taliban has for women.....

Like that they are not allowed to drive or become educated....on and on and on....

She started to change her tone of voice ;'
 

On a side note, Has anyone seen the Vets with the flag and tourch on the 494/nicollet bridge? The scene makes me strap on my jack boots and calibrate my sights.
 

"Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow, all you need is someone strong to guide you.."
 

FEMA had released some " ground zero " video..

there was a very large cardboard sign stating simply..

5000 reasons to kill 'em all.
i was very suprised to see that get past the censory board.

im glad to see that there are others that share my beliefs. take no prisoners.
 

there will be people protesting till they impose martial law, at which point the constitution is null and void and there will be people dying in the streets.these people bother me as much as the whole " target market" bull-shit. they call themselves " grass-root ".... what the fuck???? you have hundreds of millions of dollars funding your brainwashing, and you can call yourselves grass-root???

the " majority " as you call it, are the same people that would have elected clinton for eight more years, had he changed the term limit. these people are too consumed by there own lives to " pay attention " or even begin to ask " why ". they have not ever paid attention to what was going on around them, unless it was a trash can out side the garage, or a barking dog bothering there " little world ". the majority doesnt want to be called " extremists ", simply by defending common sense, its easier to avoid conflict than concern yourself with a cause.
anyone who has every publicly asked " why "
to the rediculas policy changes or the mass influx of social programs, has been all but destroyed by the media, which grossly support the euro-social bull-shit that is destroying america, ON OUR WATCH!!!!

i gave tim some shit about the whole crack-pot conspiracy thing, but read that " other " point of view, look other places for " news " or information, and see what else is out there...
certianly it cant be " mainstream ", everyone would know about it then...
 

An interesting fact I read on cnn.com this morning about Afghanistan. Alexander The Great, Gehgis Kahn, Great Britain (twice) and the former Soviet Union have all invaded Afghanistan at some point in history and all have failed. Tranny asked what do they have, well not much but they do have the ability to force the war to be fought on their terms if we tried to occupy them just like the Vietnamese did. That country is solid mountains in the 20,000ft range, a pretty ugly landscape to fight a war. They know every cave and every square inch of that country. I just hope if we go in there we keep in mind all the lessons that former superpowers have learned.
 

To quote a radio station up here that recently played this commercial which I thought you boys would enjoy

Round trip plane ticket to Afganistan
= $800

Model 700 tactical sniper rifle
= $1400

Afgan hotel room with a good rooftop view
= $4

Blowing the head off of Osama Bin Laden
= PRICELESS

- GetThatBastardCard -

Gets you everywhere you want to be
(and everyone you need to GET!!)

the last time we had a " full on, frontal assault " was the inchon landings during the
" police action " of the korean conflict.
unless someone has a history book with a different story in it.

im not aware that the viet-nam war was fought the same way as was korea, the main similarity was the massive loss of american soldiers, defending what was at one point,
a french colony..... FUCK THE FROGS!!!!

im also not aware that the u.s. stated an
objective of " posession " of another country. we have been told over and over,
how this will be conducted non or un conventionally, which i take to mean unlike the ways of dealing with problems in the past.

i dont forsee anything " action wise " going on, untill we have exausted diplomatic avenues. i understand that a carrier group has left north carolina, and intends to meet up with a british naval group, and that we have started moving planes to kuwati and saudi air strips, but you cannot think that we are going to start anything over there, untill we have intell and material to support our objectives.

quote:

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Originally posted by Hauserdaddy:
I guarantee that they have all of the intel they need already. I believe they most likely have everyone they want pinpointed but are waiting to see if they can get them the "politically correct" way. Omar the guy in the Taliban that makes a lot of the decisions is partial to hiding Bin Laden because his 13 year old daughter is married to him. How nice is that. So the guy bombs shit and has 4 wives heh. The day of the attacks They had seals and rangers in the middle east getting intel immediately. Sometimes it makes you think about why we are even helping half of the countries we help. I think if it was turned around and Israel or China had all the chips instead of us that we would be living in a communist USA. Not that anyone would want to see that but thank god we do live here and have the royal flush when it comes to arms, military, and support when shit hits the fan. I have heard rumors that even Saudi is even fucking with us now about certain issues......

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The most frustrating thing is that it may be that all the ones dirrectly involved with the planning are now crispy critters by their own hand and that funding and indirect support is the only thing that Bin Laden and Iraq contributed. I have a feeling from all ive read that bin laden may have been only remotly invovled in that he in the past supported these guys and may not have dirrectly planned this particular action. Then agian he may have. Fuck it though kill him and his Al Queda anyway they have been proven to have been dirrectly involved with numerous other attacks on Americans (which went almost un-noticed by anyone except the mothers of the marines and other embassy staff). I'll bet that for sure Iraq had lotts to do with it, financially anyway. There are probably other governments recognized or not allong with other terrorist factions that were involved in some way. So we will see what happens at least we got a texas gunslinger in office for all of this
 

are you on some direct " hook up " with people " in the know "??? and even if you are, please, dont be too over-confident,
the reality could be to devistating in the end.
 

FUCK ALL COMPUTERS, EVERY FUCKING TIME!!!!!!!

why are people convinced that it takes soooo
much money to pull this off???

these " students " have been in the u.s. for years, going to school on OUR TAX DOLLARS!!
there flight training????
any ass-hole can go there and with enough schooling beforehand, be accepted, without question. please dont think that if they can do something as bad as the damage last tuesday, that adjusting a god damn transcript is beyond them... WAKE UP!!!!

they are here now, and there is not a fucking thing that can be done leagaly to remove them, and when they are discoverd to be the anti-u.s. piece of shit they are, there will be twenty more ready to take there place. if we can make a persons life history change, im sure they can too...

WALL THE PLACE UP!!!!

i guess pat buchanon did not have such a bad idea after all, he was the only one strong enough to tell it like it was, and was shredded in the press for it. what a bunch of shit!!!

there are so many people that call themselves americans,and now that
patriotism is " cool " everyone wants a flag on there house.
how sick is this place???
did the u.s. win the super-bowl???? could have fooled me. everyone is riding the freedom train now. what a bunch of shit.
look at the people in the news, these are the same stupid jerk-offs that elected that former first-cunt!!! posturing fuck-heads!!!
those people responsible have got to be just
laughing there asses off, and it fucking pisses me off!!!

someday, this place will wake up, someday.
meanwhile, we will continue to hear about how
some arab in the u.s. is " scared " and " worried " about his safety. well fuck-head,
your fucking breed did this!!! and anything that happens from now on, your people deserve. perhaps some new version of
ARAB-CON, similar to DECON will be " set out " for there stupid asses. god damn im pissed!!! i hope we start the killing soon,
none of those who are a part of any of this shit should be allowed to take another breath. and if we continue to let these fuck-heads in here, then we deserve whatever comes down. we have had our chance to repair the system. it would not bother me to see military people with machine-guns at there side, patrolling the airport grounds, or the
u.s. borders, or searching people at these locations randomly, or closing down the borders, COMPLETLY!!!!

why am i held hostage in my own country????

this is all becoming entirely too much..

the first black president in history has all but left the millitary reduced to a one theater show. hopefully, we dont get wrapped up in another venue soon.
 

As far as the race related sweeping generalizations being made here, other than its very Hitler-esque, which in my eyes is as UnAmerican as anything else. This is not a race issue, its a issue concerning those who think they can utilize evil tactics and reign terror down upon us, its not a race doing this but individuals and orginized groups. "Fundamentalist" Islam shares very little of the same beliefs of your typical muslim. They're as different as "Fundamentalist" Christian bible thumpers and the rest of christianity. I'm sure I'll be lambasted now but its just not about race. Theirs more muslims in the asian part of the world than their are in the middle east.
 

you mean thats it??? thats all you got???
at least he knew where his enemies were,
and EVERYONE knew where he stood.

i know that you are a very long distance from the real world, but joe, at some point
your all-loving,all-inclusive, "itsnt it time for a group hug" shit has got ot end.

i guess i dont have a problem catagorizing
anyone, ive always been placed in the
" crack-pot camp ", and that doesnt bother me
im not about to play politically correct, when that bullshit is a part of the problem,
just as much as the feminization of the males
in this country. its all complete and total
bull shit!!!!

as soon as common sense begins to rule the
day, we may not have to be prisoners in our
own country, held hostage by a group of rag-heads, or some other earth robbing scum.

lable me whatever you want, ive never been in
the majority, and im not looking to make any new friends, and if the people who call me a
friend cant stand this opininon, i certianly
dont want them around me, to stick a knife in my back.

 

As far as "i know that you are a very long distance from the real world,"

Please define the boarders of the "real world", What are we in the Matrix now. Anchorage would be the second biggest city if placed MN, so please don't patronize me with some delusions of grandure that Farmington is the center of the universe.

And this crap " but joe, at some point
your all-loving,all-inclusive, "itsnt it time for a group hug" shit has got ot end."

Where in my previous statements have I even remotely suggested this crap. I want to get these fuckers as much if not more than you, but I want to get those responsible, not just people who "look" like those responsible. Thats crap. Your worse than the god damn media. You take one comment or idea, take it WAY out of context and take it WAY to the extreme end of the spectrum and then paint it my statement or idea. You discect a conversation into small out of context parts and use the ideas within to attack and label me something I'm not. Well I'm certainly don't believe what you claim I do and thats a fact, but as I've tried before nothing I can say or do will change how YOU THINK I view the world, because you won't take the whole conversation into perspective, just the parts you disagree with. How this is stabbing you in the back I don't understand. Mabey you only believe in a America where we all must think the same, or you can be punished for your thoughts (which is somewhat happening). But I'm glad that its not, and hopefully never will evolve to that level.

there are many things that i put out here,
if for no other reason, to " stir the pot"
if you, or others are having a hard time with
that, TOUGH HOP!

im not about to get into a validation statement, of everything i posted..

but for reference, alaska is a long ways away from the mainland, and things run differently there, as per our phone conversation the other night...

hey joe,

GOOD LUCK!
 

And I know chadwick there doesn't know me well at all if he thinks this kinda stuff spools me up, never has never will (if anything your the spooled one OSMOSIS boy) . I just enjoy this forum cause its people I know (otherwise I never waste my time), especially when I can prod at you to think outside the box (even if its a so called noncompliant box). We agree on a lot more than you will ever admit to though, lest you be associated with a bunny-hugger right??? (lol)

Yet I still don't understand your take on AK, what did I say that indicated that things up here are so different. Not part of the mainland??? Well we certainly arn't a island. Beyond the size of the landmass and the lack of road infrastructure, I see very little diffence. If anything its 10x more of a conservative state politically than MN, and very very patriotic with a lot of military here (its also the only place where we had land battles with the Japs during WWII). However, what most of the locals would tell you with regard to the oil issue here would be for the lower 48 to stay the hell out of it, we'll develope it in our own good time, and sell it to the lower 48 at a fair market value.....(how bout them apples)
 

And belive me i appreciate this forum for the same reason you do and most of the time spew shit just to play the other side as well. And no, i dont think you're a tree hugger. I enjoy thinking my way through stuff and just spilling my current thoughts out in this forum because i am "prodded into thought" by my disscussion with you people.

I don't get "spooled" very easilly but i do get pissed when i read in the paper about all these peace marches that are being organized.....
Here is a good question: Pacafism should by its own nature have been selected against a long time ago in the terms of Darwin's "Theory" of evolutoin so why is it that they keep crawling out of the woodwork?

KILL 'EM ALL!!!!!
 

that JAPS comment was VERY insensetive!!!!

arnt you the one that had all that " tolerance" dribble running from your mouth earlier??? what the fuck??

is the true colors of the leftist showing or what???
 

As far as those already marching at peace protest.... They're just posing, playing the part, they certainly have never had any real convictions that hasn't been spoon fed to them through pop-culture and the media. They have no Idea whats at stake here and what we could possibly loose (what can you expect, they're a bunch of socialists) if we don't deal with these terriorists as switfly and thoroughly as possible. (And I didn't particularly agree with our actions during the Gulf conflict, but this is totally different).

Have you noticed all the reports of all the people in Afganistan fleeing the country. The Taliban is really not that popular there, but those who openly oppose it just end up dead. We kinda dropped the ball on that one, if we'ed have continued to stand behind the rebels fighting the Soviets in the 80's and not backed out they might've been able to establish a govt which could have stood up to the Taliban.
 

today watching cnn/fox, the phrase

" sustained ground campain " were used.

this troubles me,
why the fuck do we want to occupy that shit-hole of a country??

i am glad that there is a " put up, or shut up and prepare to die " attitude over this whole thing. i would really like to see what
the whole " alliance " would say after four
weeks of twenty-four hour, non-stop bombing raids on any area that remotely looks suspicous.....
that is a stratagie that the other " invaders" did not try..... bomb the shit out of them!!!!over and over and over and over!!!! and when we get tired of that, BOMB THEM MORE!!!!!!

even better,
let the israilies march thru jordan and syria both, on there way to bagdahd, TAKE NO PRISONERS!!!!!

whipe the place kleen!!!
besides, its not " ethnic cleansing "...
there is enough of the bastards here, and they are human, only second to rabbits in breeding......
 

" operation infinate justice "

now, they are considreing re-naming it
something else, because it could offend
the arabs, because of there belifes in some
god.

for fucks sake, what is this country comming to!!
 

I'm not saying its impossible but it may take more time than most people may realize. From what I read today they're not really planning on occupation but on a sustained air campaing with special forces raids, and mabey a limited use of troops (like 20,000).
 

RAIN HELL FROM ABOVE!!!!

BOMB THEM!!!! BOMB THEM!!!
 

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Luke Martin
 

its been all through the media, that bin-laden was a part of the " free-dumb " fighters, defending afgahanistan against the russians. thats how they, and the rest of the terorrists , have so many u.s. made
weapons. this was covered in depth on cnn,
on sunday night,( not that the clinton news
network is the end all to news coverage )
and how the taliban rulers
got into power after the soviets pulled out,
and that the people who are now fighting the
taliban, are afghans who fought the soviets,
but did not want to live under taliban rule.

even if we would have established a so called government there, it probably would have went the way of the shaw of iran. the
u.s. has been hated in that region for so long that im not sure what it will take to
ever change there attitudes.

when our government decided to allow foreign
students in here to further there education
it was, im sure, to show the next generation
how things work here, and hopefully ease some of the tension between us and them,
but that seems to have failed miserably.

case in point:

a u.s. born, pakistan-american,( by his own calling,) student, was on the radio today, in berkly california, bitching about people
looking at him as a criminal. while he
may have had nothing to do with any of this,
the fact that he holds his heritage higher
than his citizenship, makes me want him out
of here. he values his freedom, only to maintain his victim status, and go off about
a editorial cartoon in a college newspaper.

if you want to help things out dude, shut your fucking mouth and figure out how to help the people who have been really hurt
by this shit. thats what the rest of the
real americans, black/yellow/red/white/green
whoever, have been doing.

get off your magic carpet, and help people out, thats what we do here. thats what part
of our heritage as americans is, helping others out when they have been beat down.

im sure that when you start to pay attention
to issues,( not to insinuate that you dont )
you will find that there are MANY
people, who enjoy there freedom being americans, but if the u.s. flag was found to be offensive to someone, they would not keep
it up because they dont want the other groups
to feel bad about it, and would rather not have a conflict about it or possibly be labled " insensitive " by another group.

case in point:

arab,american was in mpls library, talking to his brother in arabic, the librarian comes
over and asks what language they are using,
he says " arabic ", she " arnt you afraid that someone might hear you " no, he replies,
im an american citizen, " well, arnt you tired of all the american flags flying in your face?" no, " look lady, im an american,
im free here, i own a buisness, pay taxes,
my children are free, we dont feel threatend
at all, and i love the u.s. flag, it stands
for freedom, around the world, people see that flag and they think of america, and freedom. " she walks away saying " you poor, poor thing" ... What the fuck gives????

hopefully we will re-focus on the things that
are important in this country, and stop worring about how everybody " feels " and making policy changes in order to accomidate
some minortiy group, similar to the flag issue in the mpls police dept.

by the way...

was that off " speak english or die! "
that album was taken from me back in tech school... pretty good music!
 

BOMB BOMB BOMB
 

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Originally posted by Jomamason:
They have very deep mines going into the Mnts that they can hold thousands of people in them. The Soviets constantly bombed them to try and drive them out and were predominatly unsuccessful. They tried bombs that suck the Oxygen out of the area they're dropped, they tried to use 3-ton bombs to cause earthquakes in known fault-line areas.

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Didn’t the U.S. develop some type of “bunker buster” bomb in the gulf war. I remember it used an old tank barrel and burrowed deep in the ground before exploding. Maybe we need to come up more solutions like this to reach troops inside caves. Or a suitcase bomb inside a cave planted by a special forces team might work too.

Anyway, in retort to this comment.....

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Originally posted by Ender:
Secondly, i have been hearing some criticism about this new found patriotism that everyone seems to have now. IT WAS NEVER FUCKING LOST!! Our country gives us the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness. Therefore, in times of peace, we are exercising this right by caring for our selves and strenghtening our own future.
However, when those liberties are attacked, we unite and support our country to protect them.

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Though this may be the way most of us were raised. More and more people in this country (some who don't even bellong here) take advantage of this freedom and liberty. In CHOSEING to do NOTHING and just live of the good intentions of a rich socioty. With the way the system works we acutally have Professional Breaders in this great country! People all over who do NOTHING, contribute NOTHING, and do so on our tax dollars! Then to put the icing on this shitcake they preach and teach there little fucklets an anti athoritative message. I won't mention any names,..... *cough* SOMOLIANS *cough* *cough* white & black TRASH *cough* *cough*.....anyway.... I've seen a bumper sticker a couple of times that i just have to have. It says "Work Harder! people on welfare depend on you!" These and others while living this way promote messagase of "diversity" and say that america is holding them down and making them conform!!! FUCK THAT!!! AND NOW, these people seem to think that its a great idea to all of a sudden hop on the bandwagon of patrotism! FUCK THAT SHIT TOO!!!!!!!

Don't be be blind to the fact that in many cases our liberty is pushed beyond reasonable limits due to our blind need to be "sensitive" to people and thier heratage. Everyone should have to work the same amount to get where they want to go and if you don't want to work and contribute then you can go somewhere else and be lazy. I just get so mad when my girlfriend tells me things like almost everytime she tries to apply for a scholarship she can't because she is caucasion and not part of a target minority group. In otherwords she dosn't qualify for these because she is white! Fuck diversity and fuck ethnicity everyone should be judged on thier actions alone and not given any different treatment because they are from a limited background or a "repressed people."

Don't be blind because people are buying flags like they are going out of style and crying every chance they get.

Even knowing this i do hope beyond hope that this patritisom lasts and will maybe change even a few people....

I am glad we have the right to vote for a president in in this country, but i have a problem with other government employees. Is it just me or do a lot of officials get hired for who they know what what they do? If we had a person in some of these decision making positions that said fuck what you think this is how we get it done, then maybe we would have things done faster. Yeah your popular and people like you but you dont get shit done. i would much rather have a Jerk who knew his shit and pushed the envelope of what was right and wrong and got the job done. Some of these panty waists need to get their thumb out of their ass and learn some real life shit. Of course i am not really partial to a dictatorship either

Just my opinion and i am being general but geez.
 

a person i work with, was in saudi during the war, worked in communications for the army, he was over 50 miles from the front lines, and they would drop 3 or 4 of those
bunker-busters an hour, when they would go off, you could feel the explosion in your chest, FROM 50 MILES AWAY!!!!!
that was on top of the continuous thunder
from the other conventional ordinance being dropped around the clock. he was there three
weeks before the air campain started and said that after it was going, that he could climb an antenna tower, and see the continual " dust storm " from the areas recieving the ordinance, which was from one side of the horizon to the other!!!!!

BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF THEM!!! AND THEN BOMB THEM SOME MORE!!!!!
 

there were people who played real tough...

general george s. patton

gerneral mac arthur

and the latest was schwartzkoff..

all three great leaders who got shit done
without fucking around, and " bucked the system" one too many times, and were removed from command.

but acctually, i would rather have the current cabnet/administration, LONG before
having the abe lincolin look-alike algore...

and further,

a knee-jerk reaction to this shit will do nothing to keep this " coalition " together.
we have to find a " real target ", and minimize the impact to the general populas of whoever we decide to waste. in the event this whole thing blows up in our faces, i dont think there would be a whole lot of support for further actions from here at home
or abroad. this is alot more intricate and delicate of a situation than what my postings
of bomb the shit out of them would lend anyone to think. but that dosnt mean we cant!

BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF THEM!!!!

Execution and burial taken care of all at once.
 

TO GLOWING MIDDLE EAST!!!!
 

no new spite ???

c'mon!!

dont sally out after only two weeks!!

KEEP HATE ALIVE!!!
 

CARPET BOMB
 

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[This message has been edited by Ender (edited 09-25-2001).]
 

thanks!!!
 

A couple thoughts stick deep in my head:

1) The whole bomb the shit out of them? Absolutely. Our country seems to have forgotten the jaw-dropping reaction that Hiroshima had on the world. To put it lightly, "Do not fuck with us." For every one American that was lost, 100 pieces of shit that are a burden to the WORLD need to go. Send in the troops, the tanks, the Apaches, the bombers, the aircraft carriers, the fighters, the Special Forces, the RANGERS, Delta, Reserves, National Guard...send us all. And no one can rationally tell me that they would stand any kind of fighting chance. Innocents? How many innocent Americans died that day...hmmmm ALL OF EM? Women? Children? Guess what you hippy fucking waste of space it's not called WAR 'cause it's nice and happy. Nothing gets a bigger response then death, violence and carnage. Nothing invokes more fear than loss of life. And the one thing these un-educated fanatical worthless shitfucks should fear most is the WRATH OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. But guess what....

2) It's probably not gonna end up the way we want it to. I am a member of Military.com, and they're message boards are unbelievably tame compared to good ol' noncompliance. (Nice work guys!) They speak of BOMBING! Hooray! Then there are ten posts from PEOPLE IN THE SERVICE saying..."Ohh...well, y'know...people will die...and umm...I'm sensitive and...that's not nice...give me my teddy bear and let me suck some more DICK!" It is truly unbelievable. Our "gunslinger" Chief of Staff? I hope he whips his balls out and they're 4,622 lbs. But I bet they aren't. I expect a long drawn out political "bring them to justice" campaign. I'm telling you, I HOPE a massive and supremely obliterating military operation comes out of this. Yes, as of right now, Special Forces, Delta, Rangers and the 82nd Airborne are deployed overseas. These operations will not be televised, we will only hear sketchy reports of success/failure. Failure? Not an option. Please, Georgey boy, please...don't let that thumb find it's way into your ass...please. If that happens, the retaliation will not be AT ALL impactful, and as Cramer said, we reap what we sow. Do you think the terrorists are shaking in their boots err...ragshoes right now? Hell fucking no! They need to know of our might, see our response, and KNOW, not think, KNOW that if you fuck with the U.S.A. you die. Plain and simple. No trial, no judge, no jury...just executioner.

3) You wanna get an idea of how the military SHOULD work? Read the book 'Blackhawk Down'. The movie is coming out, Jerry Bruckheimer is producing. ANYWAYS, I just gave Klauss my copy. It revolves around the '93 Mogadishu "Snatch and Grab" operation of "Bad Guys" in Somalia. It's a great read that tells it like it is, violent, action packed, tragic and gives you an idea of what the U.S. can DO when prodded. Final numbers, I think we lost 18 Rangers and Delta Force members, they lost 500. Yeah, 500. Another 1,000...(that's one THOUSAND) injured in an operation involving around 93 ground troops and some powerful air support. Anyway, READ IT.

4) Christ, I don't know what else to say, I'm on a roll here. The American Flag on the uniform Mikey, complete and utter bullshit. That would be like if I was deployed to Bosnia, which they were planning in 2003 for my unit, and they said, "Okay, but no American Flags on your uniforms." I don't know what I'd do if I was in your shoes Mike, but I think I'll talk to the few members of Minneapolis P.D. that I know to get more info before writing to some dumb, non-patriotic, over sensitive, pile of monkey shit that needs to be beaten into oblivion...(like that Klauss?).

5) Am I already on 5? Sorry guys, almost done. You know the problem with today's generation? Most of these tree hugging, pillow biting, bitchy, over sensitive people were raised with the understanding that it's okay to be that way...and were told that by WOMEN. The root of all evil? Quite possibly. The reason today's leaders can't grab they're balls and say, "FUCK YOU!" is 'cause they're scared of the response from the over sensitive, conditioned masses that don't understand that now and then you MUST say exactly how you feel without fear of the repurcussions of your words. And then you must follow through.

6) Last but not least, what would be wrong with a counter-protest? When they all start protesting, we all come from the opposite alley with the "Pro War" posters? The "Bomb the fuck out of em"? The "Love it or Leave it" USA posters? I can tell you, there would be no problem filling the street with AMERICANS right about now.

I'm done. If we start military operations, I'll be happy. If the operations send me over there, which I strongly doubt, I'll go. I'm not dying to go, but I'm not afraid to go. But like I said, my prediction is a long, drawn out silly ass "operation" to get the responsible parties. Operation Infinite Justice? How about Operation Infitite Holding Pattern? Operation Safeties On Gentlemen? Operation Warning Shots? Operation No Innocents Killed For God Sakes? Sorry, I'm goin.... By the way, the Sports Illustrated with "The Week That Sports Stood Still". Read the last article by that Pat Reilly guy...man can he fuckin write.

Give me some feedback gentleman.

-Eric Nielson

"6,333 reasons to kill em all."
 

your text gets right to the bone.. and by the way
your book is a really good read. im not at
all opposed to not knowing shit about whats
going on with our troops.
sadam knew too much shit because of the clinton news network ( cnn ). these
fuck-head reporters acctually have the balls
to " demand " " for the sake of the publics
right to know " where are troops are and
what they plan??? how fucked up is this???
and as soon as some photos hit the tabloids of americans killing ass-holes, we will then
be criminalized instantly! fuck that!!!

start dragging there asses right through the
street, and lets bring the word TREASON back
into the american language. we need to convict and hang ANY u.s. citiczen that helps
or has helped these jack-ass people in this country.deport aliens that are guilty of this??? no. hang them too. hanged by the neck till dead! make sure the whole thing
is TELEVISED!!!!!! EXECUTION OF THESE FUCKS!!
YOU WANT SHOCK VALUE, START HANGING THESE
BASTARDS, DONT SEND THEM HOME, THEY WILL
JUST COME BACK AND ATTEMPT TO GET BACK IN!!!

IM TIRED OF BOWING TO EVERY PIECE OF SHIT IN THE WORLD!!!! FUCK OFF!!!!

BOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMB!!
 

The other day while I was on the internet I posted a message on ICQ (chat thingy – cramer) and within a few minutes I was chatting with a girl from Philippines . She was nice enough and wanted to talk about the WTC disaster. She expressed her sorrow for the victims and told me how sorry her country was. We chatted about how life was different in the US since and then she asked about Bush’s response. I told her at the very least A LOT of bombs were going to fall on a few countries. She started to express concern for the people of Afghanistan and told me she hoped the US wouldn’t attack. I guess the Philippines are Muslim. She got worked up about civilians getting hurt and I got pissed. I had to remind her that 6,000+ innocent civilians were not only dead but were burned, crushed, chocked, or forced to jump 100 stories to their deaths. This is WAR and civilians are going to die in countries harboring terrorists. The Afgan people have had 2 weeks to get the hell out of dodge so I see no excuse for civilians to be getting hurt. Anyway, it the end this girl understood where I was coming from and agreed with me. But I could tell that her being Muslim made her think a bit different about this.

I have been reading the book Eric gave me Black Hawk “can put the book” Down and if the Afgan’s fight anything like the Sammy’s – using women and children like human shields to hide behind, a lot of civilians are going to die. Great book – very descriptive from all angles of the battle. I highly recommend everyone pick up a copy or get in line for Eric’s copy.

Klaus


 

to have the arab-americans be stressed out
for a while, harassed or whatever, than to
allow them to lurk around, and continue the
whole guilt by association thing.

if these bastards want shit to change,
they had better start in there own areas
they live in, talk to your neighbors ass-holes!!! stop someone and ask them what they
think about shit. let people know where you stand, dont attempt to hide from the whole
thing. AND STOP THIS WHOLE ARAB-AMERICAN,
AFRICAN-AMERICAN,SOMOLIAN-AMERICAN,ETC
BULL-SHIT!!!
IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN, THAN YOUR AN AMERICAN! END OF FUCKING LIST!!! DISPLAY YOUR
NATIVE FLAG IN YOUR HOUSE, NOT IN YOUR FRONT
YARD, AND THEN WONDER WHY YOU ARE NOT ACCEPTED BY EVERYONE!!!! GOD DAM THIS WHOLE
THING PISSES ME OFF!!!! IM A NATIVE AMERICAN!!! I WAS BORN ON THIS FUCKING CONTINENT!!! IN THIS, THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! IVE NOT EVER OWNED SLAVES,
MY PARENTS DIDNT, NIETHER DID THERES OR THE ONES BEFORE THEM, THEY DIDNT KILL ANY FUCKING INDIANS, OR ANYONE ELSE TO GET WHAT THEY HAVE. THEY BUSTED THERE ASSES, WORKING!
I KNOW A VERY NOVEL CONCEPT, ACCTUALLY WORKING FOR SOMETHING, NOT JUST HAVING IT HANDED TO YOU!!! WHOLLY SHIT!!! IM NOT A CRIMINAL!!! IVE PROVED IT BY PASSING MY BACKGROUND CHECKS FOR MY PERMIT TO PURCHASE A GUN FOR FUCKS SAKE, WHAT DO THESE JERK OFFS EXPECT??? FUCK ALL OF THEM!!!!
 

http://www.parkwars.com/cm/bhd/bhdqt.mov
 

The Taliban have been smoking a little too much hash. Are these Diaper hats impermeable to cognative functions and reasoning? Do they automaticaly revert millions of years of evolution rendering them inferior to pubic lice? I am sick of seeing these pajama protest partys. Send them a truck load of levi's. They need the good ole relaxed fit american blue jeans. We could send in some coolgate and bic's. These people want to be taken seriously, shave off the silly fucking organ grinder beard. China and HK are right next door get some Air Jordans, they're better then wood and rope sandels. Move to a city. Sam Kinison or Dennis Leary (I cant recall) said it the best "nothing grows in the desert". Without these silly people who would sell us discounted ciggaretts or gas? Our cabs wouldnt just drive themselfs.

Nuke the holy land! The developement of organized religon started this conflict, and no one can share. Its like to little kids fighting over the same toy, what do you do, melt it down. Then they can't fight over it. I want the government to issue arab hunting permits, I'll bag my limit. What else do we do. We have to terrorize them above and beyond Heroshima/Nagasaki. I think we should fire the first nuke then launch a few at anyone who bitches. And you all know our smelly limp wristed frogs will bitch. Or we could flood their vallys with napalm. Fuck it do both.

Why do we do all of this?

Cuz we can, we are the USA and we have Money, Flushable camodes, Jack Daniels... We should kill 100 of theres for 1 of ours. Thats the rapture thes fucks have started.

God Bless America

I want my CNN Nightscope Bomber Cam. I'm Jonesing for it. And fuck the chopy video phone and invest in a digital camera.
 

quote:

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Originally posted by bich:
Osama bin fuck stick child molesting shit brick camel jockey diaper/towel head pussy fart laden needs to die.

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Holy shit was I laughing after reading that. I think that's how I will refer to him from now on...

-Boondock

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I don't think these motherfuckers deserve the attention of any kind of public ceromony. A good example is the French revolution (I know, "fuck the Frogs") and the guillotine. Over time, they had to discontinue public beheadings because it glorified the criminals being killed. Before taking that step, the French gov't lowered the guillotine off of the traditional raised stage and painted the blade black so that it wouldn't reflect the sun as the blade fell, etc. All of these things were done to de-glorify these people. Here's a great quote from Gavin DeBecker's book The Gift Of Fear that sums it up pretty well:

"I propose that we don't show the bullets on the bureau in the seedy hotel room; show instead the dirty underwear and socks on the bathroom floor. I propose that we don't arrange photo opportunities that show the offender being escorted by ten federal agents from a helicopter to a motorcade of waiting cars. Show him instead in a mangy T-shirt, handcuffed to a pipe in some gloomy corridor, watched by one guard, and a woman at that. Not many identity-seeking would-be assassins would see those images and say, "Yeah, that's the life for me!"
Conversely, guarded by federal agents (just like the president), his childhood home shown on TV (just like the president), the type of gun he owned fired on the news by munitions experts extolling its killing power, the plans he made described as "meticulous" -- these presentations promote the glorious aspects of assassintaion and other media crimes. Getting caught for some awful violence should be the start of oblivion, not the biggest day of one's life."

I think the same holds true for terrorists as well as assassins, they're one in the same. It doesn't help matters at all when the media sucks their dicks by saying how "brilliant" their plans were or how this event is the "biggest terrorism incident in world history". Yeah, good idea, let's praise them for what they've done!
 

I hate when people say shit like this...'cause he's right.

Smart man, though.

-Boondock

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By midnight the rescue convoy was getting close. The men pinned down listened to the low rumble of nearly one hundred vehicles, tanks, armored personnel carriers, and Humvees. The thunderclap of its guns edged ever closer. After a while, the rhythm of its shooting sounded like an extended drum solo in a rock song, very heavy metal. It was the wrathful approach of the United States of America, footsteps of the great god of red, white, and blue. It was the best fucking sound in the world.

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WarrantCWO - Wednesday, 10/03/01, 1:14:09pm (#7935 of 7941)

WHY AREN'T MUSLIMS POLICING THEIR OWN? I've noticed how nothing we do is good enough for many middle eastern countries. I've also noticed how these countries have refused to police themselves and tend to sit by and let others handle their problems instead of taking care of their own. It's time for the Muslim vs. Christian ("Crusader") issue to get off the street and into the conversation and debate forum. This "issue" often seems more of a one-way 'Muslims don't like Christians' (or many others for that matter) issue. In the U.S. we arrest hate crime criminals like those who've attacked Arab Americans et al in the wake of the WTC/Pentagon attacks, and punish them. Muslims in other countries seem to think that Muslims everywhere should and do act as one entity or at least claim to, regardless of their nationality. The fact that they are Muslim and/or Arab is held above national boundaries and is seen as a separate, unifying identity even if often only rhetorically. If that is really so, why don't Muslims in Muslim countries track down, arrest, and deal with Muslim terrorists themselves, unless they don't really see them as terrorists as the rest of the world understands the word? I mean, many countries have Islamic police who make sure Muslims live according to the rules of Islam. These fanatics pervert the Koran to the point of great disrespect, even to most other Muslims, so why are Muslims content to "sit on the front porch and watch" as someone else does it? Are they afraid? What are they afraid of? Do they not like what's been done but think it's OK since it was done to non-Muslims despite what the Koran says about killing innocents violating the tenets of Islam? Why are fanatical Muslims tolerated by mainstream Muslims as they twist the words of the Koran ("Americans are not innocents, so not only is it allowed, but we should kill them"). If the Koran is Truth, then these fanatics twist the Truth into something else altogether with the tacit approval of everyday Koran loving Muslims. Why is this allowed? Why are Muslims silent in the face of this perversion of Islam? Why would many Muslims tolerate other Muslims who preach that just being Muslim makes them more worthy to be alive on earth and superior to all others. Why do they leave it for someone else to do? They don't want "Westerners" to "mess" with Muslims, but refuse to do anything about it themselves. What do they think should be done, and why aren't they doing it? Perhaps because while they do see Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'ida as a threat to other Muslim countries, they do not view Hamas and other anti-Israel groups as terrorists. In fact, they see the killing of Israelis as constructive to the higher, broader Arab cause of isolating Israel as a prelude to it's destruction, so are reluctant to recognize Hamas et al as terrorists. There is no internationally agreed upon definition of what constitutes terrorism, so It's useless to the rest of the world for Muslim countries to sign onto a United Nations plan to do away with terrorism when it should be obvious that they can simply recognize many terrorists as "freedom fighters" and therefore simply refuse to cooperate. It would be foolish for the United States and it's allies to trust "temporary allies" who think like that with anything that would leave us vulnerable and exposed to harm from them. Why don't Arab/Muslim countries offer to oversee Afghanistan in a coalition of moderate Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan, and perhaps even the currently exiled Afghan royal family until it can organize itself into a responsible, Muslim government who's objective is to help and nourish it's people and become constructive in the larger Arab and Muslim community of countries. I don't see the majority of mainstream Muslims getting angry that the fanatics are breaking the laws of Islam and inviting the world to think poorly of Muslims in general. If the Muslim reputation is taking a general beating perhaps Muslims should look inward and ask themselves why their actions (or inactions) have earned it. If Muslims want this much world attention on their entire religion and culture, then they should be ready to step up and stop letting a few dangerous loudmouths speak for all of them. The time is now.

[This message has been edited by Trany (edited 10-03-2001).]
 

hopefully we get a few more years of freedom
before everything goes to hell here, but im
very doubtfull....

FEMA makes me cringe!!!
 

so,
explain to me again why we have open borders
and allow these fuck-heads into this country??

if they come from a country, muslim or other,
that has ever had a " death to america " rally, NO ONE EVER will be allowed in again.
EVER,EVER,EVER,EVER,EVER NEVER!!!

why is this so hard for the " enlightend "
people to understand???? there are people in the world who HATE us, and no matter what we do, they will always hate us. there brainwashing of choice ( religion ), is all they have, thats not anyone in americas fault. they were born into a shitty country, at a shitty time in history, so lets hate and kill the americans. we support isreal.
so what. we have kept that country from
eradicating the world of the plauge known as
arab-muslim-shit for too many years, and recieved no credit for any of the help we give these ungratefull fucks!!!
" expand your borders, take no prisoners, and,
GOOD LUCK!!! WE WILL SEE YOU IN ISLAMABAD,PAKISTAN IN TWO MONTHS!!! "

man that would make for GREAT war t.v.!!!!

BRING IT ON!!!

4000 Israeli employees in WTC escape

ISLAMABAD, September 19 (PNS): PNS Note: This item news was first filed by AL-MANAHAR Lebanon. Till date, no other verification of this news has been received. We will continue to strive to bring you most recent and uptodate minute by minute developments on tragic WTC incident, as reported by our reporting network as well as independent syndicated networks.

Nearly 4000 Israeli employed in World Trade Center in New York were absent on the day the incident of air attacks took place in US on September 11.

"No one talked about any Israeli being killed or wounded in the attacks" Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the Jordanian al-Watan newspaper adding that those Israelis remained absent that day based on hints from Shabak, the Israeli General Security Apparatus.

According to an Israeli newspaper Yadiot Ahranot, the Shabak also prevented Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from travelling to New York and particularly to the city's eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel".

 

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Pearl Harbor Death Toll: 2,403 Americans vs 270,000 Japanese.
WTC Death Toll: 6,000 Americans vs ??? -I say kill em all-