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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chadwick: [QB] First of all Joe, and Amy Jo. I am not personally attacking either of you. Just having a discussion here so don't take anything I say as a personal attack... [QUOTE]Originally posted by flamingoamyjo: First off, yes you can get group insurance with just two people, however, there are NO breaks until you get to 10. Your dads biz chooses to pay for this. Find out how much it costs per person, I bet you its close to $600-$800. At Pechiney we paid $1300 per emplyee for their benefits. IS that not insane?? [/QUOTE]It is nowhere near that per person. When we started coverage It was 132 for me and maybe double that for my bosses (dad and his buisness partner) due to their age. [QUOTE] You people think I don't seem to know anything! Living within your means isn't as easy as you think when your self employed and have to invest your money back into your biz. Brad cleared $1000 last year after taxes (yes, that is only three zeros) and I cleared $14000. And I was actually working three jobs last year! I actually think Brad and I live well within our means, you don't see us buying toys we dont need!! You dont see us taking any handouts even though we probably qualify for welfare and foodstamps![/QUOTE]I may not technically "own" a small buisness but I do work for one that I helped start. Belive me I understand the plight of small buisnesses and Kerry's rasing taxes on small buisness was not the answer. Not for me. And not for you. I do not pretend to know exactly what you and brad do and how the numbers work out. I do know that there is alot of work in being part of a very small buisness. 60+ hour work weeks and constant marketing. I work hard so that I can play hard and buy toys. Leaving a 5pm rarely happens for me. I work many weekends and nights. When computers go down here I don't get to just "call I.T.". It is admirable that you do not take handouts that you could. And any self employed person or small buisness owner has lots of work and no job security to speak of. Yet we often get paid less. And you wonder why I am so frustrated with the "blue" party and all its support of UNIONS. Unions that force buisnesses to pay workers beyond what they take in..... [QUOTE] Second, Kerry is NOT for government controlled insurance like Bush tries to make it appear. (man, and you think YOUR NOT getting thru to ME!) He wants everyone to have affordable, quality insurance just like he is entitled to. [/QUOTE]This is the EXACT problem I am talking about. I understand medical assistance baised on need TO A POINT. BUT, NOT EVERY PERSON in this country is [i]ENTITLED[/i] to have health care. If you can work part of what you are working for is your health care, accept that as a responsible citizen and move on to trying to lower the cost of health care and having a more use baised pricing system. Meaning if you abuse the system you pay for over using it. The entitlement mentality in this country is what will ultimatly destroy our little democratic experiment. Another point is that NO ONE is denied medical treatment in this country when they need it....That, IS FACT. [QUOTE] As for moving to Canada, maybe I should. My parents have to pay $800 a month just for supplemental insurance to help cover their prescription costs. Since Bush won't allow us to import drugs from Canada. I would have to believe that all of you think that is dumb. Brad's parents had to go back to work when they moved to Florida JUST so they could get group benefits. She was deemed uninsurable because she has breast implants from 15 years ago due to a total masectomy. Now you have to think that is ridiculous. What is WRONG with this country???? [/QUOTE]Any health care worker with a macro understanding of economics and health care will tell you importing drugs from canada is a POOR short sighted BAD patch to the problem. Socialized health care in other countries is one of the reasons health care is so expensive in this country. This is one area where W has no good answers, BUT Kerry had no good answers either. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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