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BoondockSaint
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Let the hype begin.

They're releasing it December 28th in New York and Los Angeles so it can be up for Acadamey Awards. We will get to see it January 18th, 2002.

Good news! 1) My brother said that one of the Ranger units was sent to Africa or wherever to assist with the filming, and they were used heavily as "experts" for a more realistic military feel. 2) Rated R for "...intense, realistic, graphic war violence, and for language"

So far here's the notables:

Josh Hartnett, William Fichtner, Ewan McGregor (Go Obi Wan!), Jeremy Piven (Is that the dude from PCU? It is!), Sam Shepard, Tom Sizemore, Eric Bana, Ron Eldard and a whole lot o action, baby. Gladiator director Ridley Scott, producer Jerry Bruckheimer...what else? Ah, already won an award, #6 Film of the Year, 2001 National Board of Review.

Don't make plans on the 18th, evening.

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I hate that if I lived in shithole L.A. i would be able to go see this movie. But because i live here i have to wait 3 weeks!
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I hate that if you lived in LA you'd probably think the movie was about the fucking sammies and how we were so mean to them. I can't fucking wait to see shitloads of sammies get KILLED! FUCK THOSE SMELLY FUCKERS! LOOK AT MY FEET!!
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It sounds like Somalia is likely one of the next targets after we wrap things up in Afghanistan. I hope we turn that shithole into a huge burning dung heap once and for all.
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Maybe the movie will convince all the stupid sammie-sympathizers that we really should rain daisy cutters onto Mogadishu. It’s too bad they don’t have TVs over there to watch CNN as we drag dead sammie cab drivers through our streets! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE! DIE!


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So,

Is this happening, or what?

Where, when, what time?


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Yeah, when?!?

Anyone heard any of the reviews? It was released in NY and LA recently. I WANT TO SEE SAMMIES DIE!!


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Hauser set up a private screening room for this Friday, correct?


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I HIIIGHLY doubt it.
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I didnt set one up but after i got all the details i doubted anyone would want to.

You dont get your own screen actually. Your in a room at the top of the theatre. I guess its a gigantic screen and its nice sized in the room but your actually looking through glass to see the movie. You do get your own sound and an extra "catering" room lol.

Doesnt sound as cool as if you had your own mini screening room now does it?

I guess if we are interested we can still do it. Just let me know.


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A lot of the bitching about it in the reviews on rottentomatoes.com are about the lack of charactor and story development. I kind of expected as much since there's just too much info in Bowden's book to possibly fit into a 2-hour movie and a lot of stuff that wouldn't easily translate to a movie screen. Sounds like the battle scenes (most of the movie) are done really well though. I get the impression that most of the reviewers I read hadn't read the book. It sounds like this movie is one where you really need to have read the book to fully appreciate it since it fills in a lot of the gaps the movie misses.
I just read the book a second time so it's fresh in my mind, I'm looking forward to seeing it. Should we just do the Inver Grove thing on Friday night?

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Since the “private theater” screening isn’t going to happen, lets try to do the 6:40 showing at Invergrove Heights tomorrow. Looks like they have it on 4 screens – with two shows at 6:40 and two at 7:10.

Who’s in?


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I'm in...but...

My brother and Dave get off work at the airport at 9 pm.

I'll go to a 7 oclock show with you guys, but would you be willing to go see a late show instead? My brother and Dave really want to see this...obviously. Turns out Mike knew most the guys that are in this movie as he trained with them a couple years after this happened.

Either way, just let me know.

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I wouldn't mind the late showing except I have had a very long week at work and would like to drink! So the plan was to see the movie at 7pm - drink at Outback after (not before - so I can remember the movie). Maybe we could see it a 2nd time at 10pm.

Pfaff, Cramer - are you guys coming tonight??


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WOW, SHAFTED.

Cramer, Tim, & I are seeing it some other time this weekend im pretty sure.


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Still bitter because Me, my bro, Brad, and Eric aren't keen on the idea of spending $60+ on an hour on go-carting, Chad?????

Besides, it was always just my brother, Brad, Eric and myself going tonight - just thought I would extend the invite to everyone else.


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No bitterness, the three of us just want to avoid the crowd.
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Please post your reviews guys. i wont ge to see this till tomorrow or Sunday

Been getting a lot of 4 stars and great reviews.


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Just read a review in the Star Trib (3.5 out of 4)

The kicker was that on a "Saving Private Ryan" scale of actual goriness SPR got a 4, BHD got a 6!

See you guys tonight...

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Twice is cool by me!
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So what did those of you who have read this more recently than me think???? I really liked it and thought they did a good job. But like I said I read it when it first came out like 5 years ago. It seemed like they pretty much captured the essence and where true to the actual events & timelines and such........ Where they?????

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I liked the movie a lot – very powerful. I think it was as true to the book as it could be. I thought the action scenes were shot well and the dialog was nicely played. I was disturbed by some of the other movie goers behavior during the movie – like standing up (and leaving) before the names of the Rangers killed even scrolled across the screen, not to mention the narration about Durant and how we pulled out – very disrespectful.

If anyone gets a chance to visit eonline and read what other moviegoers thought about the film – you will be surprised by what a bunch on clueless idiots are out there. Common reactions were – how dare they make a movie like this after 9/11 and how it was just made for the $$$. And that the story went too far with the gore and death. Obviously these idiots didn’t read the book and missed the part at the beginning about it being a true story.


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On the History Channel tonight (Monday 1/21) there's a show about the true story of Black Hawk Down. I don't know what time - probably 8:00.

I really liked it a lot – even though I was just as angered and disturbed as when I read the book. I didn't know what to think or feel after watching it the first time - I was too stunned. Reading the book conjured up disturbing pictures in my mind based on what I saw on CNN in '93 about our soldiers being drug through the streets. The movie just recreated these pictures in even more realistic color and sound. I wish I had gone to see it again on Sunday.

I think this movie had to be made and shown despite September 11th. Showing it after that fateful day just emphasizes why it had to be made in the first place. People that think it’s distasteful to show a movie based on the topics in BHD are missing the basic point of the movie and are unaware of the costs involved in being an American.


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This is funny - the Samis think they would be able to defeat the US, if we decide to make them the next target.....


MOGADISHU, Somalia (CNN) -- Somalis watching a bootleg video of "Black Hawk Down" on Monday cheered as helicopters crashed and U.S. servicemen were killed in the new movie.

Just days after the film's widespread release in the United States, hundreds of Somalis crowded into an outdoor playground Monday to watch one of the first bootleg copies to reach Somalia.

The film, which was No. 1 at the U.S. box office over the weekend, depicts the ill-fated 1993 Battle of Mogadishu in which 18 American soldiers were killed.

The United States was in Somalia to try to capture powerful Somali warlord Mohammed Aidid from his stronghold in the war-torn capital and take him to a ship anchored off the nearby coast. But by the end of the 16-hour battle in which commandos tried to seize several of Aidid's top lieutenants, 18 elite Army Rangers and hundreds of Somalis lay dead in the streets of Mogadishu.

At the screening, Somalis paid the equivalent of 10 U.S. cents to watch the movie, less than a mile from where a real Black Hawk helicopter went down.

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Audience members seemed to take delight in scenes of U.S. defeat. Each time an American chopper went down in the film, the audience cheered. Every time an American serviceman was killed, the audience cheered some more.

Ahmed Abdullah said he witnessed the actual battle and saw the movie as more fiction than fact.

"It's not fair what the U.S. is trying to do," he said. "What I saw that day was different from what I see in the film today. It's not accurate."

Others said the movie brings back disturbing memories of a day they'll never forget.

"I felt very sad watching the film," one woman said.

Some in the audience said they were proud of the way Somalis were portrayed in the film. They said they believe they were defending their country and their pride against what they considered U.S. military aggression.

U.S. officials have said they are concerned that members of al Qaeda, the terrorist network led by Osama bin Laden, could try to regroup in Somalia so the country may be a possible next target in the war on terrorism.

But some audience members had a warning for the United States.

"As you can see, Somalis are brave fighters," one man said. "If the Americans come back to fight us, we shall defeat them again."

Said another, "Let them try again. They'll be making more films about us when we defeat them like we did that day."


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1. Daisy-Cutter

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Question? How does 18 american soldiers getting killed and HUNDREDS of Somali's getting killed = the Somali's winning this incident? lol I bet more somali's killed somali's during that than the total number of americans killed by somali's. Yup you sure won alright. Orange tooth mothefuckers.
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quote:
"As you can see, Somalis are brave fighters," one man said. "If the Americans come back to fight us, we shall defeat them again."

I like this quote the best.... I think the movie didn't show enough of the cowardly hiding behind women and childern like the book outlines. Very brave......lol


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They will never know that though because they can't read.

Official estimates ranged from 1000-5000.

Actual non-tainted estimates of somalli casualties aproached 5000. That was from our friendlies who also stood against the warlords, and were actually counting bodies.


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Now our Sami friends could not get an accurate count of the casualties. If you think about the fire power we unleashed. Does a mud and shit house hold up well to M60 fire? Is a towel more protective then Kevlar? You can go to little samiland and view these fitlthy people. Just hit Lake anywhere between Chicago and Haiwatha. Its also a good spot for some grade a rocks and a toothless BJ from a Crack Whore.
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And one thing you guys are forgetting: Medical aid. Our wounded were able to recover from their wounds. The Somali wounded just covered the wound with shit and then fucked a donkey. That was their medical aid. I'm pretty sure that's why there is no "official" number. I just like the numbers that were released. 18 to 1000. As Klaus put it after seeing this movie in the theatre, "Is that a 50 to 1 kill ratio?" No Klaus, 55 to 1.

This is just more proof of how stupidity and patriotism don't go hand in hand. The Somali's feel they were being patriotic and were victorious as the US War Machine took a hit. It's nothing for them to lose thousands of people, they'll just create some more to add to the worthless, disgusting, uneducated, starving, pathetic, ignorant wastes of space that more deserve a bullet in the face than a bowl full of rice. Fuck em all. Thank you. Have a nice day.

-Boondock


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Or they come to Minneapolis and Mike gets to harass them, while they get a free ride from our government.

There is one web site that I really hate and it's The Slate (@ MSN). Everytime I click on a link on MSN homepage and get sent over to The Slate I want to vomit. Just check out their take on Black Hawk Down.....

http://www.slate.msn.com/?id=2060941

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Yeah i read that.
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My favorite line from the book describes the shithole the best:

"Every open space was clotted with the dense makeshift villages of the disinherited, round stick huts covered with layers of rags and shacks made of scavenged scraps of wood and patches of rusted tin. From above they looked like an advanced stage of some festering urban rot."


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DVD comes out tomorrow! Can't wait to see it tomorrow night.

USA [fight] Sammi's
USA [shoot] Sammi's

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We'll have to have a post-BHD DVD cabbing party!
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The deluxe edition comes out today. Deleted scenes and the History channel story are included in the 3 disc set.

Starring: Josh Hartnett, See more

Encoding: Region 1 (U.S. and Canada only. This DVD will probably NOT be viewable in other countries. Read more about DVD formats.) PLEASE NOTE: Some Region 1 DVDs may contain Regional Coding Enhancement (RCE). Some, but not all, of our international customers have had problems playing these enhanced discs on what are called "region-free" DVD players. For more information on RCE, click here.

Format: Color, Closed-captioned, Widescreen, Dolby

Rated: Not for sale to persons under age 18.
Studio: Columbia Tristar Hom

DVD Release Date: June 3, 2003
DVD Features:
Commentary by producer Jerry Bruckheimer and director Ridley Scott

Commentary by author Mark Bowden and screenwriter Ken Nolan

Commentary by U.S. Special Forces Veterans ('93)

Theatrical trailer(s)

The Essence of Combat: Making Black Hawk Down: 1. Getting It Right 2. Crash Course 3. Battlefield Morocco 4. Hymn to the Fallen 5. Digital Warriors 6. After Action Report

8 deleted & alternate scenes with optional commentary

Production design archive

Storyboards with optional commentary

Ridleygrams with optional commentary

Jerry Bruckheimer's Black Hawk Down photo album

Opening title explorations

Photo galleries

The History Channel Presents: The True Story of Black Hawk Down

PBS Presents: Frontline: Ambush in Mogadishu

Interactive mission map/timeline

Target building insertion - multi-angle sequence with optional commentary

Question & Answer Forums: BAFTA (Ridley Scott, Jerry Bruckheimer, Josh Hartnett, Ewen McGregor, Jason Isaaca, Mark Bowden & Tom Matthews), Motion Pictures Editor's Guild (Pietro Scalia), American Cinematheque (Jerry Bruckheimer & Ridley Scott)

"Gortoz A Ran - J'Attends" music video performed by Denez Prigent & Lisa Gerrard

Theatrical poster explorations

Widescreen anamorphic format

Number of discs: 3

From IMDb: Quotes & Trivia
ASIN: B00008YLV2
Other Formats: VHS, VHS subtitled in Spanish, DVD widescreen

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If you have a chance I recommend this version. It's worth it for the History channel special alone. There is also a PBS special that is shorter and not as good included on disc three. On the main DVD there are 3 commentaries included. I have listened to the Mark Bowden and the screen writers commentary and it was actually very cool. They talk alot about how they tried to keep everything pretty true to history. At least the events - they did do some composites like Josh Hartwitts. The other commentaries are Ridley Scott & one with some of the actual rangers talking about the movie (haven't watched those yet).
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