Teen successfully fights off bear On Alaska expedition for troubled youths Tuesday, April 27, 2004 Posted: 8:12 AM EDT (1212 GMT)
I think he is the biggest, baddest thing in the woods. He punched the bear. -- Steve Prysunka, youth program director
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- A 15-year-old boy on a wilderness expedition for emotionally troubled youths woke up to find a 400-pound brown bear with a bad attitude sitting at his feet.
After trying unsuccessfully to back out of the tent, the boy was bitten in the forearm and decided to fight back, punching the bear with his left hand a half-dozen times, Alaska State Trooper Adam Benson said Monday.
When the teenager tried to run, the bear bit him again below his ribs, this time leaving a half-dozen puncture wounds on his back, Benson said.
The boy punched the bear again, and again she let him go, but chased him around a nearby stand of trees.
He eventually remembered an air horn in his gear, and blew it in the bear's muzzle, waking others in the camp, said Steve Prysunka, director of the six-week "Crossing Wilderness Expeditions for Youth" program.
Prysunka asked that the boy not be identified.
The bear finally turned and ran away after counselors blasted her with pepper spray and fired a flare at her feet, Prysunka said.
Later Saturday, following the morning attack, officials found the bear in the campsite area on Deer Island in southeast Alaska and killed her.
The boy was flown out to a hospital, where he was treated, then sent home to Barrow to give his wounds time to heal, Prysunka said.
"I think he is the biggest, baddest thing in the woods. He punched the bear," Prysunka said.
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Posted by Klaus (Member # 66) on :
Was that boy you Joe?
Ask Mike about his bear story from last year....
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Posted by Klaus (Member # 66) on :
What gun do you carry for protection?
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Posted by Hauserdaddy (Member # 50) on :
I have heard if you put honey or peanut butter on your feet and hang them out of the tent, the bear will not get into your food you have stored in your tent Posted by Jomama (Member # 56) on :
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Posted by BoondockSaint (Member # 67) on :
I quote one of my young, red-headed Privates:
"If you see me in a fight with a bear...don't help me...help the fuckin' bear."
Posted by Klaus (Member # 66) on :
Nice gun, but $2000? Damn.
I was reading a thread on glocktalk.com about what gun to carry in Alaska. Most said at least a 12 guage with slugs or a large calibar rifle. At a minimum a 45 cal wheel gun. People kept quoting some story where a guy killed a charging brown a couple years ago with like 10 shots from a 9mm - most thought he was super lucky!
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.50AE Desert Eagle The "Mangun" is useful in any situation...
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I don't think I'd enjoy being chomped on by a bear while trying to re-load... Posted by Klaus (Member # 66) on :
I think a semi auto would be the only way to go. None of this bolt action crap. Seems like it would be hard to put a bunch of rounds into a charging bear if you have to run a bolt....
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Posted by Matress (Member # 71) on :
One of my deer guns is a Marlin 1895ss 45-70. I personally love the gun its light,short and great for carring through thick brush and don't forget plenty of stopping power. This gun was my father's tell I got old enough to have it as my own, he always told me story's about how he shot through a tree and got a deer on the other side. I never thought this was poss. tell I tried to shoot through a tree on my own I was impressed.
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Posted by Klaus (Member # 66) on :
I understand that most large calibar hunting rifles are bolt action. I would just want to carry something a bit smaller like an AK47 (.762) that alot of rounds could be fired in the panic of a bear attack. Posted by Cremator (Member # 8) on :
Actually, in all seriousness, a rifle based on the AK47 is an excellent choice as they have shown to work very well under adverse conditions.
Posted by Chadwick (Member # 45) on :
7mm magnum i would imagine would be a good bear stoping round since it is one of the only rounds that works well on moose. Moose are notoriously hard animals to stop with 1 or 2 rounds. Similar to a 300 win mag if im not mistaken but with a little more "umph" to it.
I have heard that moose are in some cases more dangerous than bear.
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Posted by Hauserdaddy (Member # 50) on :
My deer rifle is a 7MM remington Magnum and I have no problem blowing the shit out of any deer I shoot with it My uncle borrowed it and shot his Moose so I agree with Chad that it seems like a fine gun for large game.
My father in law shot his kodiak on Kodiak island with a .338 (winchester I believe). He shot it in the chest and it kept coming so they put 3 more shots in it before it finally stopped. The bear measured 9-10 square (nose to tail and paw to paw)
He and my mother in law use .300 weatherby's as their everyday guns for hunting. He hunts elk (Arizona and Colorado) black bear and deer (at the cabin near bemidji) with that size gun.
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That is the gayest dog I have ever seen.
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Uh oh...here it comes...
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Posted by Chadwick (Member # 45) on :
I would go into the physics lesson as to why some of that balistics report is hogwash. But, alas it would fall on alaskan ears that accept what they read in stuff like that as hard fact.
Further as i have talked to moose hunters on numerous occasions that have refuted such nonsense.
Bore calibur and bullet wieght is not the most important part of the equation. Though it is certainly is part of it.
Certain 7mm mag and 300 win mag rounds will make your head explode. Where as 45ACP rounds will rarely do that if ever. Momentum has two parts.......
Dont be stupid joe.
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Range is probably the key issue in lack of selection and the fact that fireing a round like that rarely affords a quick 2nd shot.
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quote:Originally posted by Jomama:
quote:Originally posted by Chadwick: since it is one of the only rounds that works well on moose.
Now thats just stupid Chad...
You guys arn't even talking large bore. 7mm and 300 win mags are at the middle of the pack, and are not considered large bore.
These were both guns I saw used a lot for Elk in the west. They work well at range, w/out much drop. They also are relatively small bullets, do not come close to the weight bullets people hunt moose & bears with, and have low/moderate penetration even at close range.
Not one person I've met here in AK uses something that small for moose and bear, and if they're using something in the 30 cal area it'll be a 30.06 or a .308 (and most people will call them crazy) The bullet weights on those guns don't go beyond the 240-260gr mark..... (small) Guys hunting moose and bear are shooting bullets as much as 2x that. 300, 350, 400 gr bullets, with a gun that can actually throw it.
Look at the balistic test I posted. 7mm is total middle of the pack, and is really limited on bullet gr.
300 win mag has even less penetration. My .41 magnum wheel gun throws a bigger piece of lead than the 7mm and has equal penetration at 25yrs as a 300 win mag.
Low gr. bullets have little penetration capabilities, they're designed to mushroom and do damage. This doesn't work with bears, as it just mushrooms on their surface, with out damaging vital organs. Put high gr. bullets in mid bore rifles and you compromise energy and again low penetration.
Most of this is just an uneducated assesment of the results it references.
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Before we get all rowdy can I get a pancake on a bunny please? Posted by Klaus (Member # 66) on :
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I love how a round like that dosnt have penetration capabilities, yet it is used in the military and by special forces as the ideal smaller (meaning smaller than 50cal) sniper round DESIGNED FOR PENETRATION OF BODY ARMOR.
Get a clue joe!!!!
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Posted by Klaus (Member # 66) on :
Chad are you saying that shooting into a box of sand isn't the same as shooting an animal?
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Whatever dude
Again I regret to have tried to have a discussion about this or anything.
You obviously know all. Posted by Chadwick (Member # 45) on :
Why do we even argue about this. The balistics of a specific round are as dependent on the type of bullet as the calibur of round. A report like that should have a yellow and black cover on it with yellow chalkboard writing......
Further penetration is a non factor when the round cant penetrate the SKIN of the animal because there is to much of a cross section to the bullet.
I do not belive for one seccond that your .41 wheel gun has more stoping power in any application than a 7mm magnum. BUT, shoting a rifle like that in comparison with a wheel gun in a short range defense situation does present a problem. Especially if you miss the first shot.
I was only refereing to stoping power though.
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I love how your idea of a discussion is calling someone stupid then being baffled when they maybe take some offense to it.
If i "disscused stuff" the way you do with my gf or my boss i would get my ass kicked up and down on a regular basis.
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My experience(s) don't appear to count here, so don't ask, and politely piss off..........
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Posted by Klaus (Member # 66) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jomama: Originally posted by Klaus: Mabey you should go to a hunting forum and ask these types of questions instead of a glock forum.
Actually, glocktalk has a pretty decent hunting forum with alot of discussion on rifles and Alaska.
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Posted by Matress (Member # 71) on :
OK I have got to get in on this conversation again. I was raised shooting competions involving Buffalo guns (Sharps, Ballards, and so on) Now we would have comps out in Montana and wyoming where we'd shoot 1000 yds with no scope iron sights, Paper patched bullets, and black powder.
For anyone to say that a 300 win mag, 7mm mag or anything that has a small caliber "sniper round" is a moron for saying that it would do something worth while to a bear,moose or any other rough large animal. you don't only want to pierce through their tough hide but you want it to stop them now. Yes a 300 win mag will drop a deer in nothing flat but come on if you weigh 160 lbs you'd drop to if you got hit with somethin moving at 2500+ feet per second but the 160 grains will just pierce through you.
they both have their high and low points. the smaller rounds are made to pierce while the larger rounds 45-70's and so on are gonna hit your with a blunt force and lots of energy behind them. Jo I am in your court with this debate. For Bear and so on your best bet is going to be something large, might be a slower flying round but packs more energy at inpact.
Posted by Matress (Member # 71) on :
quote:Originally posted by Chadwick: I love how a round like that dosnt have penetration capabilities, yet it is used in the military and by special forces as the ideal smaller (meaning smaller than 50cal) sniper round DESIGNED FOR PENETRATION OF BODY ARMOR.
Get a clue joe!!!!
Chad that is true, but they want todo just that penetrate armor, not hide or something like flesh that rips. if a bear was made of kevlar I would recommend these rounds but in the real world of skin being your only armor I'd take a larger caliber.
PS when I dig up my marlin reloading book I"ll post alot of specs on energy and ft lbs of energy behind rounds at distance
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