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My PC is still disassembled, but I did go out and get a BFG GFX 5900 XT OC (Overclocked right out of the box). So once I get up-and-running again, I'll post new benches...
Posts: 559 | From: Blaine, MN | Registered: Oct 2000
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Ran aquamark on my new computer. Its a Athlon XP 3000+ with a GeForce FX 5700 Ultra in it. Got the following scores:
Normal card speed (about 950/470): ~29,700 Overclocked to about 1.06/580: ~32,900
Summary: My computer will smoke yours like a 5 cent cigar.
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Huh? What are you smoking Chad? My 5900 scores better then the 5700Ultra overclocked... And it was about $60 more.
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From all the reviews I've read, the 5900 and the 5700U are ballpark with the nod going to the 5900. Now the 5900s are down in price and they run better at higher resolutions, but I've always used 1024x768, the higher res' shrink too much for me. I bought the 5700U when it first came out for ~$200 and then I bought the 5900XT OC for the same so that Jack's PC will run better when I move over the 5700U. I do like the 5700U, but if you can get a 5900 for the same price, it's worth it. ** UPDATE: I will be setting up my PC tonight! **
On a separate note, have you guys seen the stats on the new nVidea 6800s? They require TWO power connections and at least a 480W power supply!!! Christ-on-a-bike! That's going to force most of us to upgrade our power supplies. If anyone else is thinking about upgrading their graphics card, try and hold out until the end of may when these new cards come out as it usually means a price-drop for the older cards...
Posts: 559 | From: Blaine, MN | Registered: Oct 2000
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Yeah I saw that card review this weekend - DAMN... So much for incremental increases...
Here is the start of the reveiw - go read it....
12,000 points in 3DMark 2003. A score of over 60,000 in AquaMark 3. Over 60fps in Halo at 1600x1200 and more than 50fps in FarCry with High FSAA and 4tap anisotropic filtering at 1024x768 - these are numbers that will bring tears of joy to PC enthusiasts everywhere.
You'd have to go back quite a bit in the history of graphics cards to find a performance leap of similar magnitude. Maybe the transition from 3dfx's Voodoo1 to the Voodoo 2 comes close. Or the jump from NVIDIA's TNT2 to the GeForce 256 DDR, or perhaps the transition from ATi's Radeon 8500 to the 9700 Pro... Maybe these developments might come close, if, for the moment, we left aside the technological quantum leap in the past. But let's start at the beginning.
So even with tha higher Ram/GPU speed the 5700 family can't move as much date/info because of the small pipeline - that's why the scores of the 5900 cards are higher even with a lower GPU speed.
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I bet your even wrong klaus I bet the 5700Ultra outscores the 5900 if the 5700 were overclocked by 200pts or more inthe AQM3D GFX score (not the overall Score).
And i bet my system with the card only overclocked would be with in 1-2 FPS of your system not overclocked on halo.
In fact Im almost sure my PC scored 5180 or 5190 in the GFX line in AQM3D.
Your scores: Aquamark 3 5700U 2400 31578 2400 OC 32662
That's 25% faster comparing overclocked scores.
Again the only claim i ever made was that the 5700U was faster overclocked than any 5900 card box speed.
Posts: 2331 | From: Rosemount | Registered: Mar 2001
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quote:Originally posted by Chadwick: GFX SCORES ONLY
MY COMPUTER 5190
YOUR COMPUTER 5082
If you get to overclock yours I get to overclock mine.... So my GFX score is 5940
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Fuck their benchmarks my card overclocked is faster than yours end of story.
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Chad, the thing is, you cant really compare those two cases. When your card is overclocked to 1.06/670(about), of course its going to be slightly faster than the 5900 at normal speeds of 850/400. But your having to run your card much harder in order to even compare to the 5900. Like Klaus said, when he overclocks his, which only bumps it up to 910/475 or so (not even as high as the 5700U), his GFX score blows yours away. So, your claim is pretty illogical if your saying that your card is better simply because you can overclock it and get a slightly higher speed than the 5900 stock. So stop all this "my dick is bigger than your dick" shit.
I KNOW that the 5900 is slightly better, but i chose to go with the 5700U because it does a good enough job and is more affordable.
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I honestly think that might be incorect. The box and manual states it is a 256bit card. It may not be the same stat but i doubt it.
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quote:Originally posted by Ender: Chad, the thing is, you cant really compare those two cases. When your card is overclocked to 1.06/670(about), of course its going to be slightly faster than the 5900 at normal speeds of 850/400. But your having to run your card much harder in order to even compare to the 5900. Like Klaus said, when he overclocks his, which only bumps it up to 910/475 or so (not even as high as the 5700U), his GFX score blows yours away. So, your claim is pretty illogical if your saying that your card is better simply because you can overclock it and get a slightly higher speed than the 5900 stock. So stop all this "my dick is bigger than your dick" shit.
I KNOW that the 5900 is slightly better, but i chose to go with the 5700U because it does a good enough job and is more affordable.
My logic is not flawed in the least. At no point did I say that it was faster when both or overclocked or not overclocked or better or anything like that. I simply stated that it was faster when overclocked than the box speeds of a 5900 card. I run it overclocked because I do not care if it burns up. I paid less to get a card that outperformes the 5900s when overclocked. If it didnt I would have bought the 5950U. My Logic (and i would think they would have gone through this with you in school but...) was simply stating a claim and backing it up with results.
Why can I not compare thoes two cases?!? I paid less to get the same result as an un overclocked more expensive card, simple as that. I claimed nothing more and nothing less than that and that is proven fact. Klaus challenged that assertion and I proved him wrong. What is it with you people!?!?! Did any of you take logic in school!?!?!?!
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By that logic - I also bought a card that outperforms the 5950U (the fastest Nvidia card on the market) when overclocked...... For $200 less (at the time of purchase)
And I would say you should give more weight to the real world benchmarks on tom's hardware - then AM3. I want to see your Halo benchmark txt file....
Posts: 5484 | From: St. Paul, Mn | Registered: Apr 2002
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quote:Originally posted by Chadwick: I honestly think that might be incorect. The box and manual states it is a 256bit card. It may not be the same stat but i doubt it.
No your box states 256m of memory - not 256bit speed.
Posts: 5484 | From: St. Paul, Mn | Registered: Apr 2002
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quote:Originally posted by Chadwick: And the 5700 is 256bit.
What about this claim?
Then again the box could be incorrect, the site could be incorrect. I could be wrong, I could be right. Who knows. Who cares.
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Instead of taking logic classes in school I opted to double-up on sex education just so I could see more pictures of vaginas. Posts: 559 | From: Blaine, MN | Registered: Oct 2000
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quote:Originally posted by Klaus: By that logic - I also bought a card that outperforms the 5950U (the fastest Nvidia card on the market) when overclocked...... For $200 less (at the time of purchase)
So do you leave the card overclocked all the time?
If so then what you are saying is that you have the same performance as a guy who buys a 5950U and dosnt know how to or dosnt chose to overclock his card (except for benchmarks)?
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You wanted the performance of a 5950U. You didnt want to pay 200$more. You dont care about the risk of overclocking because by the time the warantee is up you will be upgrading anyway.
quote:Originally posted by Cremator: Instead of taking logic classes in school I opted to double-up on sex education just so I could see more pictures of vaginas.
THAT'S where I went wrong. Posts: 2331 | From: Rosemount | Registered: Mar 2001
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quote:Originally posted by Chadwick: On a serious note: the GFX5700Ultra is a KICK ass card. Same or better speed and results as all but the 5950Ultra at half the price.
Thanks for finding such a gem cremator!!!
No that's what you said originally.. It's not until your last couple posts that you stated why you bought the card. I researched my card purchase based on being in the latest generation (5900family 256bit/8pipes) and knew I could overclock to the 5950 speed based on results I found on newgroups.
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Looking at the GPU speed and memory speed (both faster than the 5900) I could see how someone would think it was a faster card. Obviously, you didn't know it was a 128bit 4pipe card compared to the 5900 256bit 8 pipe card..... So made sense to me you may have thought it was faster, looking at gpu speed etc.....
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Claiming what? That the 5700 was a 256bit card?
I am finished debating you on this - you are just like a democrat - making up numbers to suite your arguement....... <-----Kidding relax.
Posts: 5484 | From: St. Paul, Mn | Registered: Apr 2002
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quote:Originally posted by Klaus: I am finished debating you on this - you are just like a democrat - making up numbers to suite your arguement....... <-----Kidding relax.
Oh boy, here come a meltdown.
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quote:Originally posted by Klaus: I am finished debating you on this - you are just like a democrat - making up numbers to suite your arguement....... <-----Kidding relax.
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